Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes Discussion Threads

Tigerick · Aug 22, 2022

As Hot Chips 34 starting this week, Intel will unveil technical information of upcoming Meteor Lake (MTL) and Arrow Lake (ARL), new generation platform after Raptor Lake. Both MTL and ARL represent new direction which Intel will move to multiple chiplets and combine as one SoC platform.

MTL also represents new compute tile that based on Intel 4 process which is based on EUV lithography, a first from Intel. Intel expects to ship MTL mobile SoC in 2023.

ARL will come after MTL so Intel should be shipping it in 2024, that is what Intel roadmap is telling us. ARL compute tile will be manufactured by Intel 20A process, a first from Intel to use GAA transistors called RibbonFET.

Comparison of upcoming Intel's U-series CPU: Core Ultra 100U, Lunar Lake and Panther Lake

Model	Code-Name	Date	TDP	Node	Tiles	Main Tile	CPU	LP E-Core	LLC	GPU	Xe-cores
Core Ultra 100U	Meteor Lake	Q4 2023	15 - 57 W	Intel 4 + N5 + N6	4	tCPU	2P + 8E	2	12 MB	Intel Graphics	4
?	Lunar Lake	Q4 2024	17 - 30 W	N3B + N6	2	CPU + GPU & IMC	4P + 4E	0	12 MB	Arc	8
?	Panther Lake	Q1 2026 ?	?	Intel 18A + N3E	3	CPU + MC	4P + 8E	4	?	Arc	12

Comparison of die size of Each Tile of Meteor Lake, Arrow Lake, Lunar Lake and Panther Lake

	Meteor Lake	Arrow Lake (N3B)	Lunar Lake	Panther Lake
Platform	Mobile H/U Only	Desktop & Mobile H&HX	Mobile U Only	Mobile H
Process Node	Intel 4	TSMC N3B	TSMC N3B	Intel 18A
Date	Q4 2023	Desktop-Q4-2024 H&HX-Q1-2025	Q4 2024	Q1 2026 ?
Full Die	6P + 8P	8P + 16E	4P + 4E	4P + 8E
LLC	24 MB	36 MB ?	12 MB	?
tCPU	66.48
tGPU	44.45
SoC	96.77
IOE	44.45
Total	252.15

Intel Core Ultra 100 - Meteor Lake

As mentioned by Tomshardware, TSMC will manufacture the I/O, SoC, and GPU tiles. That means Intel will manufacture only the CPU and Foveros tiles. (Notably, Intel calls the I/O tile an 'I/O Expander,' hence the IOE moniker.)

Philste · Sep 4, 2024

Zenbook S14 Prices are too crazy. In Germany, 1699€ for 256V, 1999€ for 258V. No other configs available.

2K for 3rd best SKU in a 14 Inch with 1TB SSD is just wtf.

igor_kavinski · Sep 4, 2024

Philste said:
2K for 3rd best SKU in a 14 Inch with 1TB SSD is just wtf.

Don't worry. Good thing about Intel/AMD laptops is that they get discounted.

I know someone in Germany who found multiple deals with a Geforce 4070 that were cheaper than laptops with 4060.

Philste · Sep 4, 2024

igor_kavinski said:
Don't worry. Good thing about Intel/AMD laptops is that they get discounted.

Problem is that the keyboard of my current Laptop is starting to Fail, so I need it quite soon.

igor_kavinski · Sep 4, 2024

Philste said:
Problem is that the keyboard of my current Laptop is starting to Fail, so I need it quite soon.

Check out ASUS's online store and get something cheap like an Open Box laptop. Why waste too much money, unless your work is absolutely performance critical? Also, I think the keyboard can be repaired.

cebri1 · Sep 4, 2024

511 said:
R24 number from core ultra 9

Intel numbers… yawn. No independent benchmarks for 2 and half weeks.

fastandfurious6 · Sep 4, 2024

https://twitter.com/x/status/1831140640094347627

igor_kavinski · Sep 4, 2024

This 200 series is kinda reminding me of the Sandy Bridge model numbers.

Beginning of a new era for Intel. MTL was Nehalem and then BOOM! Sandy Bridge that is still serving me.

cebri1 · Sep 4, 2024

fastandfurious6 said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1831140640094347627

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already posted

gdansk · Sep 4, 2024

igor_kavinski said:
MTL was Nehalem

Why are you insulting Nehalem like that

fastandfurious6 · Sep 4, 2024

Nehalem was AWESOME

Arrow Lunar lakes are DOA...... but they will still sell because Intel Sales

sorry for repost didnt see last pages

DavidC1 · Sep 4, 2024

fastandfurious6 said:
Arrow Lunar lakes are DOA...... but they will still sell because Intel Sales

I could see that for Arrow, but for Lunar? Talk about being completely out of touch.

igor_kavinski · Sep 4, 2024

gdansk said:
Why are you insulting Nehalem like that

Intel Core i7-2700K Benchmarks - Geekbench

Intel Core i7-975 Benchmarks - Geekbench

Sandy beating Nehalem with 35W less power. That's what I was alluding to.

fastandfurious6 · Sep 4, 2024

DavidC1 said:
I could see that for Arrow, but for Lunar? Talk about being completely out of touch.

hear me out..... it's DOA

DavidC1 · Sep 4, 2024

fastandfurious6 said:
hear me out..... it's DOA

Hear me out too... You are out of touch.

511 · Sep 4, 2024

fastandfurious6 said:
hear me out..... it's DOA

Your comment sounds like DOA 🤣

fastandfurious6 · Sep 4, 2024

DavidC1 said:
Hear me out too... You are out of touch.

I am AMD..... out of reach for intel fanboys 😎

511 · Sep 4, 2024

fastandfurious6 said:
I am AMD..... out of reach for intel fanboys 😎

Not out of reach of a mod on Intel thread

SiliconFly · Sep 4, 2024

511 said:
R24 number from core ultra 9

CB R24 single thread score for LNL Core Ultra 9 is very close to that of 14900K. This directly indicates LNC in ARL-S has a higher IPC than many here have suggested.

Also, Ryzen 9 HX 370 scored around 116 in CB R24 ST if I remember right. Looks like once again LNL comfortably beats the competition. Lunar Lake is a lot more impressive than I expected.

fastandfurious6 said:
Nehalem was AWESOME

Arrow Lunar lakes are DOA...... but they will still sell because Intel Sales

sorry for repost didnt see last pages

Actually, compared to Arrow Lake & Lunar Lake, it's evident Zen5 is a disaster! Or DOA if you prefer.

fastandfurious6 · Sep 4, 2024

intel shills 😔😔😔😔😔

You broke the first rule. Please read and follow all forum guidelines and rules. Including the CPU forum rules stickied at the top of this forum.

Mod DAPUNISHER

Hail The Brain Slug · Sep 4, 2024

fastandfurious6 said:
intel shills 😔😔😔😔😔

It was nice knowing you.

SiliconFly said:
CB R24 single thread score for LNL Core Ultra 9 is very close to that of 14900K. This directly indicates LNC in ARL-S has a higher IPC than many here have suggested.

View attachment 106841

Also, Ryzen 9 HX 370 scored around 116 in CB R24 ST if I remember right. Looks like once again LNL comfortably beats the competition. Lunar Lake is a lot more impressive than I expected.

Actually, compared to Arrow Lake & Lunar Lake, it's evident Zen5 is a disaster! Or DOA if you prefer.

In my own Zen 4 testing I have observed even ST score can be improved with higher performance memory. Its possible the on-package LPDDR5X 8533 is helping boost the score in cinebench 2024 specifically, disproportionate to the overall IPC improvement.

SiliconFly · Sep 4, 2024

fastandfurious6 said:
hear me out..... it's DOA

fastandfurious6 said:
intel shills 😔😔😔😔😔

Hear me out... Lunar Lake is mopping the floor with Zen 5!

igor_kavinski · Sep 4, 2024

fastandfurious6 said:
intel shills 😔😔😔😔😔

You really have a ban wish or something?

Chill, dude.

controlflow · Sep 4, 2024

SiliconFly said:
CB R24 single thread score for LNL Core Ultra 9 is very close to that of 14900K. This directly indicates LNC in ARL-S has a higher IPC than many here have suggested.

View attachment 106841

Also, Ryzen 9 HX 370 scored around 116 in CB R24 ST if I remember right. Looks like once again LNL comfortably beats the competition. Lunar Lake is a lot more impressive than I expected.

Actually, compared to Arrow Lake & Lunar Lake, it's evident Zen5 is a disaster! Or DOA if you prefer.

I currently use an Apple M1, but I think I might actually buy an LNL laptop. Need to see 3rd party benchmarks but it looks like it could be the Apple M moment of the x86 world and that iGPU looks like it can actually put out real 1080p gaming performance with reasonable settings and at 15-20 watts.

I'm confident that idle or low usage battery life will be great but still need to see what moderate use power really looks like. One concern is that Windows is fairly terrible for battery life and just not as well sorted as Mac OS. Hopefully that doesn't ruin LNLs potential.

Abwx · Sep 4, 2024

SiliconFly said:
CB R24 single thread score for LNL Core Ultra 9 is very close to that of 14900K. This directly indicates LNC in ARL-S has a higher IPC than many here have suggested.

Also, Ryzen 9 HX 370 scored around 116 in CB R24 ST if I remember right. Looks like once again LNL comfortably beats the competition. Lunar Lake is a lot more impressive than I expected.

Actually, compared to Arrow Lake & Lunar Lake, it's evident Zen5 is a disaster! Or DOA if you prefer.

You re talking as if we were back in 2001 at the time of single core era, what about the MT scores.?.
So far at 30W the HX 370 should outperform LNL by 70%, sorry for the few.

Hail The Brain Slug · Sep 4, 2024

controlflow said:
One concern is that Windows is fairly terrible for battery life and just not as well sorted as Mac OS. Hopefully that doesn't ruin LNLs potential.

I don't know if this is as big of a factor as it's made out to be - Look at the Snapdragon Windows laptops and their battery life. In addition, we even have an HX370 Windows laptop that achieved an insane 16+ hours of wifi websurfing (Vivobook 14, notebookcheck review).

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