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Moonbeam

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But what does that say about gun nutters that get fear mongered into hoarding more guns? You keep focusing on the violent nature of all humans. I’m worried about that 3% more.
Furthermore the point was to say that the argument about gun availability by number of guns per person in the US, is exaggerated by the number of guns own per individual American. A guy who owns 100 guns can only likely do one mass killing but 99 of his guns will fuel the per capita argument significantly. It isn't the number of guns in the population that matters as much as the number of nut cases have access to them. Americans have vastly less access to the number of guns owned by Americans than the numbers suggest. This is easy to understand if say one American owned 400 million guns. That is over one gun per American but a collection that size would not create an issue of gun availability. The issue is the number of sick people who can get a hold of a gun . The numbers go up with availability, yes, but the issue is that there are too many sick people who want to access them. In an argument over which problem to focus on it is not logical to argue the number of guns per capita because that skews the argument to the gun number side of the debate. It is a factor that is used and pertinent, but out of proportion to its accuracy.
 

eelw

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Furthermore the point was to say that the argument about gun availability by number of guns per person in the US, is exaggerated by the number of guns own per individual American. A guy who owns 100 guns can only likely do one mass killing but 99 of his guns will fuel the per capita argument significantly. It isn't the number of guns in the population that matters as much as the number of nut cases have access to them. Americans have vastly less access to the number of guns owned by Americans than the numbers suggest. This is easy to understand if say one American owned 400 million guns. That is over one gun per American but a collection that size would not create an issue of gun availability. The issue is the number of sick people who can get a hold of a gun . The numbers go up with availability, yes, but the issue is that there are too many sick people who want to access them. In an argument over which problem to focus on it is not logical to argue the number of guns per capita because that skews the argument to the gun number side of the debate. It is a factor that is used and pertinent, but out of proportion to its accuracy.
For sure it’s less that 3% of that 3% that we should be worried about. But when 99% of the mass shootings happen in a single country, the issue is something unique to said country. And solving mental illness isn’t it.
 

APU_Fusion

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Sure would be nice if we stopped obsessing over what some 18th century slave owners thought about muskets and cannons, and focused on stopping literal children from getting murdered at school.
Take your liberal woke baby eating nasty self and go to Russia you communist, fascist, socialist, anarchist, Jesus hating, pro Muslim, pro terrorist, pro illegal immigrant, mind virus, Tran surgery of kids in schools pro lgtbq sinful freedom hating devil worshiper.

Guns are proof of Jesus’s True Message. Love thy neighbor
 

Moonbeam

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For sure it’s less that 3% of that 3% that we should be worried about. But when 99% of the mass shootings happen in a single country, the issue is something unique to said country. And solving mental illness isn’t it.
What problems are mass shooters trying to solve? We know they are using guns to do it. But what is their motive? Obviously there intention is to kill as many people as they can, but why? What is the payoff? We have always had massive gun availability in the US but not this level of mass killings. Something seems haywire with ‘it’s the availibility of guns issue’. Tell me why we have so many are trying to kill so many? What changed?
 

eelw

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What problems are mass shooters trying to solve? We know they are using guns to do it. But what is their motive? Obviously there intention is to kill as many people as they can, but why? What is the payoff? We have always had massive gun availability in the US but not this level of mass killings. Something seems haywire with ‘it’s the availibility of guns issue’. Tell me why we have so many are trying to kill so many? What changed?
Lol you really need to ask the reason for their hate attacks? But fair enough, what changed? It is a wonder with all the divisiveness the orange monkey is spewing that there isn’t multiple mass shootings a day. These scaredy-cat Nazi wannabes want to act tough with their metal penis to eliminate anyone not like them.
 

balloonshark

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How can a non-legal gun owner claim to have rights or anybody else claim them for them? I know that people who are upset about something tend to over emphasize their case but no rights extend to illegal acts. You are also asking for permission to be courageous. If you had such permission as you seek nothing about what you wish to do would be courageous. I am of the opinion that the Jan 6 convictions will nip a lot of that horseshit in the bud. Fear is a two way street and it's conservatives that have the deepest fear issues in my opinion. But some of them are natural and extend to any rational person, in my opinion, like the right to self defense. Don't solve your so called free speech problem at the cost of something built into our genes. Your rights end where they threaten my right to exist. There's many a nut case that will panic when so threatened and will react with psychotic premeditation to prevent you from doing that. Right winged fud is speech that should be answered with better speech, not with irrational spurious glarp. Most people want reasonable gun control, even many you would call gun nuts.

How can the Jan. 6 convictions prevent further violence when they are considered heroes and victims. Let's not forget that they may get pardoned.

I agree republicans have the deepest fear. It's what motivates them them to act. It gets them in an emotional state where rational thought goes out the window.

Better speech isn't going to change how republicans think. For one they never peek outside their bubble or even question what they are told. They believe what they are told like it's the gospel. They also have quit holding their own accountable and that is extremely dangerous. It's the biggest threat to democracy IMHO.
 

Moonbeam

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How can the Jan. 6 convictions prevent further violence when they are considered heroes and victims. Let's not forget that they may get pardoned.

I agree republicans have the deepest fear. It's what motivates them them to act. It gets them in an emotional state where rational thought goes out the window.

Better speech isn't going to change how republicans think. For one they never peek outside their bubble or even question what they are told. They believe what they are told like it's the gospel. They also have quit holding their own accountable and that is extremely dangerous. It's the biggest threat to democracy IMHO.
I believe the Trump wave has crested and he isn’t going to get the office of President back. We need to turn our attention to mental illness that created the wave in the first place. We are a sick culture that is killing itself as the result of massive internal self hate that is the result of psychological ignorance. Denial grows difficult in the face of extinction.

Why do we hate people who hurt so bad they want to die? Because we feel the same as they do. We want to make them pay for wanting us to pay. Ring around the Rosie ashes ashes we all fall down!

Hush, little baby, don’t you cry; Papa’s going to sing you a lullaby.
Hush little baby don’t say a word; Papa’s going to buy you a mockingbird.
If that mockingbird won’t sing, Papa’s going to buy you a golden ring.
If that gold ring turns to brass, Papa’s going to buy you a looking glass.
If that glass begins to crack, Papa’s going to buy you a jumping jack.
If that jumping jack is broke, Papa’s going to buy you a velvet cloak.
If that velvet cloth is coarse, Papa’s going to buy you a rocking horse.
If that rocking horse won’t rock, Papa’s going to buy you a cuckoo clock.
If that cuckoo clock won’t tick, Papa’s going to buy you a walking stick.
If that walking stick falls down, you’ll still be the sweetest little baby in town!
 

[DHT]Osiris

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We always end up talking about the rights of the gun owners. What about the rights of the victims, their friends and family and those that witness, hide or flee from a shooting?

Gun owners (legal or not legal) seem to have more rights than their victims. In what world is this sane?
They don't have more rights, the second someone attempts harm on another with a firearm, they're no longer protected by the govt or the 2A, they're a criminal. Yes, there's a significant problem in that it isn't really helpful to the person on the receiving end, but the alternative is to assume all citizens are criminals prior to a crime being committed, and disallow access to the firearm to begin with.
 
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iRONic

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Here's a piece about the local couple that found the body:

Who are Fred and Shelia McCoy, who found I75 shooter’s body? | Lexington Herald Leader

What prompted a Kentucky couple to go deep into the forest for six days and, on Wednesday, discover the body of a man who shot five people on Interstate 75 this month? The couple called themselves “bounty hunters on the hunt.” A day before they found the body of 32-year-old Joseph Couch, who opened fire Sept. 7 on a busy stretch of interstate near Exit 49, about nine miles north of London, the couple told Kentucky state troopers their goal: get Couch off the streets and collect the reward money.
 
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