I don't think there's much buying of ARM server parts beyond the self made chips like Gravitron.
For x86 compatibility, I imagine the cloud vendors would choose Epyc dense over any E core Xeon. That's probally not changing.
If they are buying the ARM server parts, then they are buying E core Xeons. Which is the reason for them existing in the first place.
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I'd say GNR, which will have core count parity with Turin and upgraded performance per core, is gonna more than hold its own against Turin, it'll even beat it in a fair amount of use cases.
For some workloads... Other workloads don''t use it at all, and that's where E core Xeons make the most sense.I think that it may be due to the lack of any avx-512. Server use that a lot.
Agreed. The last independent player here seems to be Ampere (used by Oracle).I don't think there's much buying of ARM server parts beyond the self made chips like Gravitron.
x86 compatibility is becoming less important every year for cloud vendors as many SW has been ported to Arm and Arm-based server CPU have become competitive. Though of course that doesn't mean x86 is going to disappear any time soon.For x86 compatibility, I imagine the cloud vendors would choose Epyc dense over any E core Xeon. That's probally not changing.
Keeping ARM out of the server space is reason enough to keep going with Dense and E core parts.I don't think there's much buying of ARM server parts beyond the self made chips like Gravitron.
For x86 compatibility, I imagine the cloud vendors would choose Epyc dense over any E core Xeon. That's probally not changing.
Without HT which can be plus point for some marketsYea, Clearwater Forest on Int is basically Zen 5C on 18A with Foveros Direct.
If Sierra Forest is this competitive, just look what HXL just posted:Keeping ARM out of the server space is reason enough to keep going with Dense and E core parts.
That's bonkers performance for Sierra Forest. It's a perfect Cloud and VM chip, which is where the real ARM server threat is.
Seems like an Intel sponsored (as in they paid him) review. He has the whole system and decides not to test it in typical consumer benchmarks? What stopped him? Intel obviously. I get that it's a workstation CPU but still not comparing it with 9950X seems wrong from a journalistic point of view.
The stupid expensive CPU loses to 9950X but the reviewer is lauding the "better" multi-core efficiency? What the hell you twisted dude??? IT LOST, despite more cores and more threads!
I have no more words because what I really want to say is not appropriate for these forums.
The 100 BBP scores are even worse, if the 9950X score isn't a typo (60 seconds vs. 3.76 seconds???)
I think you need to chill a bit, it's starting to seem like you care more about brands than technology.Seems like an Intel sponsored (as in they paid him) review. He has the whole system and decides not to test it in typical consumer benchmarks? What stopped him? Intel obviously. I get that it's a workstation CPU but still not comparing it with 9950X seems wrong from a journalistic point of view.
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The stupid expensive CPU loses to 9950X but the reviewer is lauding the "better" multi-core efficiency? What the hell you twisted dude??? IT LOST, despite more cores and more threads!
And I'm complaining that he didn't do enough of testing and tinkering in this case. And what's with that white fan on the CPU heatsink? I care about content. Don't care if it's Wendel or Dr. Ian Cuttress. My issue is just that he has that system. Do something with it, other than the usual workstation stuff. What about games? What about a core to core latency test? What about making a benchmarks list showing weaknesses and strengths? It just looked more like a marketing video to me.The best thing about Wendel reviews is the insights you get that you'll probably not see in other reviews focused on performance metrics only. The man likes to test and tinker and then tinker some more, and then he's able to report his findings in a nice manner. He's an asset to our community.
Sigh.Do something with it, other than the usual workstation stuff. What about games?
Thank you. So it's clear that the reviews aren't proper.So IMO these reviews are kinda "Meh" and missing too many points to be considered exhaustive.
They are but they are not exhaustive and the conclusion is missing many points.Thank you. So it's clear that the reviews aren't proper.
It's like they were given a really short time to release them or had a day or two with the review sample before having to return it. These feel more like a "First Look" kind of content.They are but they are not exhaustive and the conclusion is missing many points.
Seems like an Intel sponsored (as in they paid him) review. He has the whole system and decides not to test it in typical consumer benchmarks? What stopped him? Intel obviously. I get that it's a workstation CPU but still not comparing it with 9950X seems wrong from a journalistic point of view.
Which explains why Intel barely mentioned anything about the successor to Granite Rapids, since it's 2 years away according to that info.It appears Diamon Rapids will use Panther Cove. Panther Lake will have Cougar Cove. Earlier Nova Lake was supposed to have Panther Cove according to Raichu. So it looks like late 2026 at the earliest.