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cebri1

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Something that seems fishy?
A lot of these channels are, they fake results. Sometimes is just a guy in Poland that works for a retailer and has the product before anyone else. We’ll know soon enough.

Edit: compute wise it should be close to the 3050 but it should suffer from using ddr memory. If it has 3050 levels of performance with XeSS really removes any reason for mobile nvidia GPUs under the 4060.
 

dr1337

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It's about the equivalent of some random poster making performance claims with no evidence.
except for the fact that the video actually has evidence and is literally footage of the game running?

you know you can ignore all the numbers and just decide for yourself which image looks better right?

I think independent reviews are to be taken with a grain of salt absolutely. One should not take a single video alone on its own sure but that doesn't invalidate multiple results nor does that inherently invalidate outliers.

also I do wanna say that I wish people would take screenshots and post those more often instead of making have to click on a video that might be bunko
 

gdansk

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except for the fact that the video actually has evidence and is literally footage of the game running?

you know you can ignore all the numbers and just decide for yourself which image looks better right?

I think independent reviews are to be taken with a grain of salt absolutely. One should not take a single video alone on its own sure but that doesn't invalidate multiple results nor does that inherently rule out outliers.
Look at the channel. It's all the same form of video. Nothing resembling an independent review at any point. There are dozens of these channels spamming specific part comparisons because people will search for that, being early means you may get some views and amazingly the CPM isn't trash because they were probably comparing two specific laptops with intent to buy. Some of these videos may be real but now after years of this being a problem they should prove it and physically show what laptop it is on each side.

This video didn't even divulge the actual devices under test. Most likely fabricated overlays on random game captures.
 

dr1337

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Look at the channel. It's all the same form of video. Nothing resembling an independent review at any point. There are dozens of these channels spamming specific part comparisons because people search for that and amazingly the CPM isn't trash. Some of these videos may be real but now after years of this being a problem they should prove it and physically show what laptop it is on each side.

This video didn't even divulge the actual devices under test. Most likely fabricated overlays on random game captures.
If its really so bad then why are y'all so intent on platforming these people? Why should I click on their video again if their statements are false? Just so they can have more engagement?

But what if you're lying?

Who is they? what even is the channel name? You didn't even state it. If they're a true faker it should be trivial to point out and name yeah?

I do agree its hard to trust these channels but in the exact same vein, its also hard to trust baseless speculation. These things aren't in a vacuum.
 

dr1337

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This video didn't even divulge the actual devices under test. Most likely fabricated overlays on random game captures.
Or a common mistake/they're part of a brand and cant divulge? Could be faked, but how and why? And why do they get away with it?

And purely thinking in devices is flawed. What if someone buys the worst designed product from vendor A, and coincidentally changes it out with the best product from vendor B? Is their experience now suddenly invalid because OEMs aren't consistent with cooling systems and firmware quality? to an extent yes but its good to have a fuller picture/and or also know who is actually lying about performance on the internet.
 

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If its really so bad then why are y'all so intent on platforming these people? Why should I click on their video again if their statements are false? Just so they can have more engagement?

But what if you're lying?

Who is they, what even is the channel name? You didn't even state it. If they're a true faker it should be trivial to point out and name yeah?
Huh? You lost me. It is the one linked above.
It would be extremely simple for them to name & show the devices under test. Though, curiously, they don't bother.
 

gdansk

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Or a common mistake/they're part of a brand and cant divulge? Could be faked, but how and why? And why do they get away with it?

And purely thinking in devices is flawed. What if someone buys the worst designed product from vendor A, and coincidentally changes it out with the best product from vendor B? Is their experience now suddenly invalid because OEMs aren't consistent with cooling systems and firmware quality? to an extent yes but its good to have a fuller picture/and or also know who is actually lying about performance on the internet.
You've totally lost me. You're going to bat for a faked video uploaded by ad squatters on YouTube as if they're genuine people.

It's a simple duty and responsibility for a reviewer to document the device under test because it influences the results.
 

dr1337

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You've totally lost me. You're going to bat for a video uploaded by ad squatters on YouTube as if they're genuine people. Haha...
You won't even name them let alone try to screenshot proof of anything. You're begging me to believe you instead of direct evidence.


I am not claiming they're real, but someone forgetting to name a device is hardly evidence of anything. These videos come from indepentent people who probably don't have 20 laptops sitting around waiting to be benchmarked at a moments notice.

Quality will never be 100% in a situation like that and that's why I'm trying to say to you that you should be more thorough in calling these people out for creating fake benchmarks.

And this really is the state of GPU reviews in 2024, I literally don't buy any graphics device now without looking up multiple benchmarks of the applications/games I want to use. And if there is a good battlemage card coming up I'll still have the same criteria.
 

gdansk

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You won't even name them let alone try to screenshot proof of anything. You're begging me to believe you instead of direct evidence.


I am not claiming they're real, but someone forgetting to name a device is hardly evidence of anything. These videos come from indepentent people who probably don't have 20 laptops sitting around waiting to be benchmarked at a moments notice.

Quality will never be 100% in a situation like that and that's why I'm trying to say to you that you should be more thorough in calling these people out for creating fake benchmarks.

And this really is the state of GPU reviews in 2024, I literally don't buy any graphics device now without looking up multiple benchmarks of the applications/games I want to use. And if there is a good battlemage card coming up I'll still have the same criteria.
No this is not the state of GPU reviews. This is the absolute state of You.

If you consider YouTube channels of this quality, which never show the devices under test, to be valid benchmarks you're buying based on your trust in man not to fake Afterburner overlays.
 
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except for the fact that the video actually has evidence and is literally footage of the game running?

you know you can ignore all the numbers and just decide for yourself which image looks better right?

I think independent reviews are to be taken with a grain of salt absolutely. One should not take a single video alone on its own sure but that doesn't invalidate multiple results nor does that inherently invalidate outliers.

also I do wanna say that I wish people would take screenshots and post those more often instead of making have to click on a video that might be bunko

You can just take stock footage and add some text over it: done. These channels are super low effort garbage.

It's like all those "robot voice" new tech garbage channels, except here they don't even bother with a robot voice. It's text over stock video.

I use Blocktube on every one I find, just like I do for the stupid robot voice channels. This stuff is lower than MLID. I don't watch those either, but at least there is some effort involved.

I can wait until someone reputable does some testing. Or if I want rumored/unsubstantiated/leaks I will check out Videocardz. It's text and gives you the same info you can read in 30 seconds instead of wasting 10 minutes on the video form.
 
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also I do wanna say that I wish people would take screenshots and post those more often instead of making have to click on a video that might be bunko
Sorry for that 😅 i Just wanted to share it but will remember it from next time but anyway if you put screenshot people are gonna complain who is the source so it's better to give the original source it's lot of hardwork for posting content in a form and i am a lazy person 🙂
 

511

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Also regarding the post i don't think we should take this video at face value before solid source but if we can take fake CPU-z score we might as well take Fake Videos 🙂
 
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