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K1052

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The great thing about this is, it's becoming so widespread that eventually someone will leak it, which will result in the information being out there without anyone (sans the leaker I guess) being responsible. Let's see them papes!

Iranians will probably just publish everything next month. Still a more than a little annoyed about how the press learned a lesson in the most Trump favoring way possible that saddled us with 4 years of his bullshit.
 

Zorba

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The only people who claim to be undecided are Republican voters. I have never in my life met a Democrat who claimed to be "independent" or "undecided". Every person who claims that is lost definitely a conservative and has voted for Republicans consistently. I don't know why they claim that they are independent, but they do. So if there are a slew of "independents" leaning towards voting against Trump, that's good news.
I guess you've never met Bernie Sanders?

I am an independent, always have been, always will be. I have never voted for an R at the federal level. I am an independent because I don't believe you should make party affiliation part of your identity, that is how we end up in a situation like we are currently with the GOP. There are definitely independents that split votes or swing back and forth.
 

Zorba

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One of the stupidest idea in electoral politics is apparently resurfacing, presumably because there is worry about Trump's standing.

Maine has already said that if this happens they will also pass winner take all immediately and effectively cancel it out.

Splitting via congressional district is stupid as hell. Both Maine and Nebraska should switch back to winner take all... After the current election. It's just another way to further gerrymander the EC, we've just been lucky these are the only two states that do it and it usually cancels out. Republicans want to do it in all the swing states, which will effectively make it impossible for a Dem to win.
 

K1052

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Splitting via congressional district is stupid as hell. Both Maine and Nebraska should switch back to winner take all... After the current election. It's just another way to further gerrymander the EC, we've just been lucky these are the only two states that do it and it usually cancels out. Republicans want to do it in all the swing states, which will effectively make it impossible for a Dem to win.

I agree or at least Maine should pass a law that says if Nebraska changes to winner take all then so do they automatically without further legislative action being required.
 

Zorba

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Trump couldn't and wouldn't even try to unite the country. It would never even occur to him to try. All he wants to do is influence people (and in a lot of circumstances get their money). But never all people, he couldn't care less. He always figures a ton of people hate him, but he tries not to think about them. They are like in his peripheral vision but he doesn't glance to see who they are. He'll hammer away at people whose self confidence is weak with anything he thinks might be effective . There are millions of such people.
I can't believe no one ever brings up how he allocated covid aid by which states voted for him, not by the needs of the state. He has less than zero interest in uniting the country.
 

Zorba

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The great thing about this is, it's becoming so widespread that eventually someone will leak it, which will result in the information being out there without anyone (sans the leaker I guess) being responsible. Let's see them papes!
Seems like Iran should just setup a subreddit and/or telegram channel (or whatever it is called, I've never used telegram) and start dumping. I think once it is out in the ether it'll be picked up.
 

Muse

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Ever listen to Slayer.. they've a nice song about it.. skeletons of society..

Minutes seem like days
Since fire ruled the sky
The rich became the beggars
And the fools became the wise
Memories linger in my brain
Of burning from the acid rain
A pain I never have won

Nothing here remains
No future and no past
No one could foresee
The end that came so fast
Hear the prophet make his guess
That paradise lies to the west
So join his quest for the sun
Shades of death are all I see
Fragments of what used to be

The world slowly decays
Destruction fills my eyes
Harboring the image
Of a spiraling demise
Burning winds release their fury
Simulating judge and jury
Drifting flurries of pain
Deafening silence reigns
As twilight fills the sky
Eventual supremacy
Daylight waits to die
Darkness always calls my name
A pawn in this recurring game
Humanity going insane
Shades of death are all I see
Fragments of what used to be

Minutes seem like days
Corrosion fills the sky
Morbid dreams of anarchy
Brought judgment in disguise
Memories linger in my brain
Life with nothing more to gain
Perpetual madness remains
Shades of death are all I see
Skeletons of society
Fragments of what used to be
Skeletons of society


Basically the educated and enlightened are the new guard and the old guard doesn't like it because they've lost the plot.

And ofcourse.. we already know what Vance/ right wingers think..

Whoa! Vance is a guy we do not want as chief executive of this country. Said he wants to destroy the universities! Very dangerous man.
 
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QueBert

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If it holds up in court, which is doubtful, this could risk certification of the election in GA. There is no process, money, or support to do this weeks out from the election.


Part of me wants this to hold up, and for Kamala to SMASH Trump in GA. I know he'd still find a way to claim fraud in the state, but it would be sweet for him to lose with it being hand counted.
 

compcons

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I guess you've never met Bernie Sanders?

I am an independent, always have been, always will be. I have never voted for an R at the federal level. I am an independent because I don't believe you should make party affiliation part of your identity, that is how we end up in a situation like we are currently with the GOP. There are definitely independents that split votes or swing back and forth.
Fair enough. Bernie is a pretty good example. I guess every conversation I have ever had with someone claiming to be independent starts with "I'm an independent but.." and then they spend 10 minutes spewing debunked nonsense they heard on Fox News.

I probably shouldn't lump anyone who claims to be undecided at this point in time with people who claim to be independents.
 
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MrPickins

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If it holds up in court, which is doubtful, this could risk certification of the election in GA. There is no process, money, or support to do this weeks out from the election.

Hopefully it doesn't hold up in court, but the headline is a clickbaity.

The rule is that the polling locations must make a total count of the paper ballots on election day; it doesn't seem they have to hand-tabulate the results. Still onerous, though.
 

K1052

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Hopefully it doesn't hold up in court, but the headline is a clickbaity.

The rule is that the polling locations must make a total count of the paper ballots on election day; it doesn't seem they have to hand-tabulate the results. Still onerous, though.

Georgia AG issued a statement that the change in procedure was likely illegal. Doubt it survives an encounter with the courts there.
 

Dave_5k

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Hopefully it doesn't hold up in court, but the headline is a clickbaity.

The rule is that the polling locations must make a total count of the paper ballots on election day; it doesn't seem they have to hand-tabulate the results. Still onerous, though.
Each county must complete 3 independent hand counts of the number of ballots. If you're in rural MAGA land, that may be only 5,000 or so ballots, which is feasible. But in Atlanta (Fulton County), that's well over 500,000 ballots to hand count, three times. Oh, and if any discrepancy between the three, have to start over and recount again, or the Republican MAGA board will have an excuse to try to have all the votes from the urban areas thrown out.

(Edit: Getting 3 truly independent manual counts of 500,000 objects has near 0 chance of coming out the same each time. And that's without even getting into the additional ballot security required to supervise the process, to avoid breaking chain of custody requirements for the ballots.)
 

MrPickins

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Each county must complete 3 independent hand counts of the number of ballots. If you're in rural MAGA land, that may be only 5,000 or so ballots, which is feasible. But in Atlanta (Fulton County), that's well over 500,000 ballots to hand count, three times. Oh, and if any discrepancy between the three, have to start over and recount again, or the Republican MAGA board will have an excuse to try to have all the votes from the urban areas thrown out.

(Edit: Getting 3 truly independent manual counts of 500,000 objects has near 0 chance of coming out the same each time. And that's without even getting into the additional ballot security required to supervise the process, to avoid breaking chain of custody requirements for the ballots.)
You and I are on the same page here. I was just pointing out that the title is ambiguous.

I fully thought they needed a hand-tabulation until I found the (non-paywalled) AP article.
 
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hal2kilo

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Part of me wants this to hold up, and for Kamala to SMASH Trump in GA. I know he'd still find a way to claim fraud in the state, but it would be sweet for him to lose with it being hand counted.
The hand count is a mirage. It's a delay to take the choice to congress with a majority of Pubs in control.
 

MrPickins

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The hand count is a mirage. It's a delay to take the choice to congress with a majority of Pubs in control.
It also decreases confidence in the election. Remember how so many MAGAs couldn't understand why some results weren't certified on election night?

"They're in there rigging the vote!1!!"
 
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