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NWRMidnight

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You are free to disagree but you are wrong.

I see people make loans with 200 or 300 privately held single family homes as collateral in one loan request, most valued under $275k. Starter homes in middle to lower middle class working neighborhoods. The price category in highest demand ... all owned by one man.

Like I said earlier, it's not all bad, but it would better overall if they were in in the hands of 300 families.

One day the mortgages will be paid off, the housing expense is small, income is high enough to enjoy life. But if they remain rentals that will never be paid off by the renter.

But you do you. No difference is made either way. 😀
There is only one of us who the facts support, and it isn't you. You have proven that you are pulling shit out of your ass, and your position is based off of feels, and made up shit, with NO facts that back your position up. So to claim that I am wrong, is claiming that the facts are wrong.. AKA you are living in an alternate reality.. Which of course is normal for you.

To highlight that you are making shit up, you said earlier that real estate companyies are buying these houses in 24 hours paying cash, because of cash flow. Yet here, you are now trying to argue that these people are using 200 to 300 houses as collateral, in one loan request. You have went from claiming it's real estate investors and tax insentives issue, to it's a AirBnB issue, to XYZ, with each one being the cause and fix. You see, when you use actual facts, and actually know what the problem is based on those facts, the cause and the fix, never changes, they stay consistant. From the start of our "discussion" to the end, the facts show it's a supply issue. It's not because of real estate investors, it's not because of tax insentives, it's not because of AirBnB's, it's not because of single family houses being rentals, it's not because of the laundry list of never ending reasons you keep throwing at the wall. It's because of lack of supply.

So yes, I will do me, which is using facts, not feelings and/or made up shit thrown at the wall.
 
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FelixDeCat

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There is only one of us who the facts support, and it isn't you. You have proven that you are pulling shit out of your ass, and your position is based off of feels, and made up shit, with NO facts that back your position up. So to claim that I am wrong, is claiming that the facts are wrong.. AKA you are living in an alternate reality.. Which of course is normal for you.

To highlight that you are making shit up, you said earlier that real estate companyies are buying these houses in 24 hours paying cash, because of cash flow. Yet here, you are now trying to argue that these people are using 200 to 300 houses as collateral, in one loan request. You have went from claiming it's real estate investors and tax insentives issue, to it's a AirBnB issue, to XYZ, with each one being the cause and fix. You see, when you use actual facts, and actually know what the problem is based on those facts, the cause and the fix, never changes, they stay consistant. From the start of our "discussion" to the end, the facts show it's a supply issue. It's not because of real estate investors, it's not because of tax insentives, it's not because of AirBnB's, it's not because of single family houses being rentals, it's not because of the laundry list of never ending reasons you keep throwing at the wall. It's because of lack of supply.

So yes, I will do me, which is using facts, not feelings and/or made up shit thrown at the wall.
I get it, you prefer one man own everything and everyone pays rent to him for life.

You dont care if one person owns it all so long as there is more supply for him to buy. You dont care families cannot compete with him because federal tax law gives him advantages to accumulate because he will profit on every single one ...and there is nothing stopping him from buying more.

And since you keep making this personal, its a clear sign you know Im right.

I say remove all federal tax advantages to the accumulation of single family real estate. Make it unprofitable as hell to do so. If someone knows they will go bankrupt hogging real estate, it will stop. Guaranteed.
 
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yottabit

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So the "affidavit" from the claimed "ABC whistleblower" has been posted.

Let's see what we have here.
A fully redacted affidavit from an anonymous agitprop X acct. No way to verify ANY of it. Anyone could have created this. Affiant being called "deponent" is irregular for US legal speak, hinting of foreign origin.
To run with this without ANY valid confirmation is irresponsible.
And yet virtually every right-wing influencer and talking head IS running with it. Full steam ahead.

Original source from Twitter:

Ah yes. I only trust my notarized documents when the notary’s name is blacked out in magic marker

What would even be the point of redacting so much in a document like this other than to make it seem more mysterious ?

This is not some NSA WikiLeak. There’s nothing that would be classified in there. What a joke
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
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I get it, you prefer one man own everything and everyone pays rent to him for life.

You dont care if one person owns it all so long as there is more supply for him to buy. You dont care families cannot compete with him because federal tax law gives him advantages to accumulate because he will profit on every single one ...and there is nothing stopping him from buying more.

And since you keep making this personal, its a clear sign you know Im right.

I say remove all federal tax advantages to the accumulation of single family real estate. Make it unprofitable as hell to do so. If someone knows they will go bankrupt hogging real estate, it will stop. Guaranteed.
Just make the tax breaks for your own personal home you live in. Done.
 

NWRMidnight

Diamond Member
Jun 18, 2001
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I get it, you prefer one man own everything and everyone pays rent to him for life.

You dont care if one person owns it all so long as there is more supply for him to buy. You dont care families cannot compete with him because federal tax law gives him advantages to accumulate because he will profit on every single one ...and there is nothing stopping him from buying more.

And since you keep making this personal, its a clear sign you know Im right.

I say remove all federal tax advantages to the accumulation of single family real estate. Make it unprofitable as hell to do so. If someone knows they will go bankrupt hogging real estate, it will stop. Guaranteed.
Are you still throwing shit at the wall? btw, nothing I said was personal attacks towards you, which means I am not making it personal. if you took any of it personal, then that is a character flaw, and something you need to work out. But it is no reflection on you being right.
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
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Are you still throwing shit at the wall? btw, nothing I said was personal attacks towards you, which means I am not making it personal. if you took any of it personal, then that is a character flaw, and something you need to work out. But it is no reflection on you being right.
Deflecting again.
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
Feb 24, 2009
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Gov Mike DeWine one of the few Republicans doing the right thing by Springfield to combat the lies by Trump and Vance.
Isn't is fun how Trump manages to put you into impossible to defend situations, making you yet another Trump loss. He's dragging you down with the rest of what's left of the semi-sane side of the party.
 

MrSquished

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Moonbeam

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My parents worship the GOP and Trump so hard that they won't even have to hold their noses when they place their votes.
My Father and Mother were Democrats when I was a kid. They divorced and I went to live with my Father and new wife who grew up a dirt poor Republican farm girl. After the Vietnam war, my Navy father became a Republican too. Both of them voted Reagan and Bush etc. Both of them wanted me to be smart study hard and get an good education, but they didn't much like the result. Some how some where in my childhood I decided I wanted to know what the truth is regardless of the cost. I grew up having to deal with the fact that I was a traitor to everything others held sacred and even to those beliefs they originally inculcated me with. I hope you have no regrets. You are not your parents nor responsible for their beliefs.
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
Feb 24, 2009
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My Father and Mother were Democrats when I was a kid. They divorced and I went to live with my Father and new wife who grew up a dirt poor Republican farm girl. After the Vietnam war, my Navy father became a Republican too. Both of them voted Reagan and Bush etc. Both of them wanted me to be smart study hard and get an good education, but they didn't much like the result. Some how some where in my childhood I decided I wanted to know what the truth is regardless of the cost. I grew up having to deal with the fact that I was a traitor to everything others held sacred and even to those beliefs they originally inculcated me with. I hope you have no regrets. You are not your parents nor responsible for their beliefs.
Sounds familiar, like growing up into a thinking young adult in the late 60 to early 70s with conservative parents who demanded respect and none for you. It's an old story with an unhappy ending for both. No longer interested in justifying my life to others.
 

Puffnstuff

Lifer
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My Father and Mother were Democrats when I was a kid. They divorced and I went to live with my Father and new wife who grew up a dirt poor Republican farm girl. After the Vietnam war, my Navy father became a Republican too. Both of them voted Reagan and Bush etc. Both of them wanted me to be smart study hard and get an good education, but they didn't much like the result. Some how some where in my childhood I decided I wanted to know what the truth is regardless of the cost. I grew up having to deal with the fact that I was a traitor to everything others held sacred and even to those beliefs they originally inculcated me with. I hope you have no regrets. You are not your parents nor responsible for their beliefs.
I can tell you that during my time in the Army most people were R's because they felt like they provided better support to the troops. My dad was career Navy when my parents became R's and during my younger years so was I.

In the hunt for truth and after a hard rhetorical analysis of my own beliefs I discovered that I did not really subscribe to the party line so I switched to D and that is where I'm staying. Sure some of my beliefs cross over to the right but I'm mostly in the center apart from a few issues. IMHO after Reagan the party began a creep to the far right and then just went into a full sprint to where they are now which is just disgusting.

Country before party all day every day!
 
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