Going from a higher core count CPU to an 8 core CPU and doing stuff like unpacking or compressing files feels agonizingly slow.
Going from a higher core count CPU to an 8 core CPU and doing stuff like unpacking or compressing files feels agonizingly slow.I doubt many home users utilise 16 threads fully tbh. Most people are browsing the web, streaming videos or playing games.
why did you not get a 9950x ?Going from a higher core count CPU to an 8 core CPU and doing stuff like unpacking or compressing files feels agonizingly slow.
Agreed on all fronts. I'd also add that made Sandy Bridge great was because of the massive overclock potential. I had ran a 2500k @ 4.5 daily for years until I upgraded. It could even do 4.7 but not 100% stable for gaming, but just basic tasks was fine like watching videos, but do anything heavy has a chance to crash. Wasn't worth it for me for 200mhz. Also don't forget the sata bug that was extremely annoying if you were an early adopter.Hot take, but the idea of a greatest CPU of all time is an oxymoron. CPUs are continually improving at a rapid pace. Every CPU will be surpassed sooner or later.
Furthermore, how good a CPU looks for can depend on a lot of things outside of the CPU itself. Sandy Bridge would not be remembered nearly so well if it wasn't followed by the worst period of stagnation in Intel's history. The 5800X3D would not be nearly as impressive if a competitor made their own big-cache CPU.
Agreed on all fronts. I'd also add that made Sandy Bridge great was because of the massive overclock potential. I had ran a 2500k @ 4.5 daily for years until I upgraded. It could even do 4.7 but not 100% stable for gaming, but just basic tasks was fine like watching videos, but do anything heavy has a chance to crash. Wasn't worth it for me for 200mhz. Also don't forget the sata bug that was extremely annoying if you were an early adopter.
Sandy gets the love, Ivy deserves the credit. Sandy perfected and a native platform that would last way longer (PCIe3/USB3).
Ah yes. If you add the platform, that's correct. The Z77 also supports SB processors, but most people I know stuck with the Z68/P67 motherboards. Also the Z77 chipset added full SATA3 on all the ports.
Z68
- PCI-E 2.0
- USB 2.0
- 6x SATA (4x SATAIII, 2x SATAII)
vs
Z77
- PCI-E 3.0
- 4x USB 3.0
- 6x SATAIII
But from X86 world, I would have to pick on Athlon 64 as landmark for AMD and x64 computing, Celeron 300A for introducing millions of PC users to overclocking and therefore to learning about computers much more than to just turn them on and play games and recent Zen 3 together with AM4 for being the most flexible platform and core design in years.
The Celeron 300A was legendary for its ease of overclocking. People ran the 300A overclocked not just for gaming but also for day to day stuff because it was way cheaper than buying a Pentium III.Is that what people do? Turn on a computer to "play games"? Maybe moreso now, but back then people used computers for work. I know that is a driving factor but it gets old. Maybe it's all of the "gaming RAM", "gaming chair", etc marketing that has my eyes rolling. Of course now everything is AI. Do we have "AI RAM" yet?
The Celeron 300A was legendary for its ease of overclocking. People ran the 300A overclocked not just for gaming but also for day to day stuff because it was way cheaper than buying a Pentium III.
I see your avatar… so I guess you’re a Doom and FPS fan. Quake III Arena was the game of the Celeron 300A era, and I don’t think I ever met anyone in that era that preferred Quake III Arena on a console. Everyone played it on the PC.I'm aware. Plus it had on die L2 cache rather than larger, slower off chip cache. I just dislike how everything seems to have a "gaming" reason". If that is your intent, buy a console. Of course than there is the PCMR to discuss. I do not wish to get off topic though.
You are definitely off the reservation. I'll rebut anyways.I'm aware. Plus it had on die L2 cache rather than larger, slower off chip cache. I just dislike how everything seems to have a "gaming" reason". If that is your intent, buy a console. Of course than there is the PCMR to discuss. I do not wish to get off topic though.
Sandy and Ivy almost put AMD out for the count. Slow AMD cpus powering consoles for most of the decade meant few devs bothered to push CPU limits. But now, tech like Oodle Kraken and ray tracing are making PCs work harder in spite of the aging CPU powering consoles. Hence, I don't think the luxury of console targets defining CPU gaming performance is as relevant anymore. Particularly if you want to play at higher FPS.some random thoughts,
Sandy Bridge was pretty good and extremely usable for over 10 years, part of it is just AMD being nowhere for most of it and Intel's slow tic and tocs with 4 cores forever + 14nm but it did it.
I'll say the Athlon XP line was amazing if you were into overclocking and tweaking (in a far more meaningful way than overclocking since 2011) specially since intel took a completely wrong turn with netburst.
You are not wrong, but in reality it is that impressive, because Intel did not make such a CPU. We are having a versus battle not a fantasy league what if battle.The 5800X3D would not be nearly as impressive if a competitor made their own big-cache CPU.
It was a big part of PC market back then too, we are not talking about PC XT to 486 era where gaming on PC required knowing EMM and setting variables for sound card, Celeron 300A was already during Windows era, which enabled masses to easily buy PC purely for gaming. I've build almost a hundred PC's back then for extended friends and family and easily 70% of them had VooDoo, ATI or nVidia GPU just to game. But telling someone he can get 50% more FPS in a game if he learns what BIOS is ...I wouldn't recommend upgrading from Sandy to Ivy. But in a case like mine where I was starting from scratch it only made sense to go with Z77, or in my case Z75. I wanted to wait until Haswell, but there is always something new coming up.
Is that what people do? Turn on a computer to "play games"? Maybe moreso now, but back then people used computers for work. I know that is a driving factor but it gets old. Maybe it's all of the "gaming RAM", "gaming chair", etc marketing that has my eyes rolling. Of course now everything is AI. Do we have "AI RAM" yet?
I'm aware. Plus it had on die L2 cache rather than larger, slower off chip cache. I just dislike how everything seems to have a "gaming" reason". If that is your intent, buy a console. Of course than there is the PCMR to discuss. I do not wish to get off topic though.
VooDoo 3 for me! 🤓It was a big part of PC market back then too, we are not talking about PC XT to 486 era where gaming on PC required knowing EMM and setting variables for sound card, Celeron 300A was already during Windows era, which enabled masses to easily buy PC purely for gaming. I've build almost a hundred PC's back then for extended friends and family and easily 70% of them had VooDoo, ATI or nVidia GPU just to game. But telling someone he can get 50% more FPS in a game if he learns what BIOS is ...
I see your avatar… so I guess you’re a Doom and FPS fan. Quake III Arena was the game of the Celeron 300A era, and I don’t think I ever met anyone in that era that preferred Quake III Arena on a console. Everyone played it on the PC.
You are definitely off the reservation. I'll rebut anyways.
Buy a console? You came to the wrong neighborhood. đź’€ How do we install all of our mods? Play the Total War series, or all of the other games that only exist on PC? Be competitive in e-sports? Emulate and engage in game preservation? Play at high res and settings at high FPS? I.E. have complete control over the gaming experience. Consoles are not even in the discussion for gaming where most of us tech forum folk are concerned. I'll amend that to being the primary platform for gaming.
It isn't as though the same PC built for gaming can't handle most people's workflows. Those that need powerful workstations are on the periphery of the distribution chart for retail/DIY. I have lived my life by the movie Big philosophy. Life beats people down, make them salty and miserable. I will never grow up, I'm a toy r us kid.
On topic: Zen 3 3D is my GOAT. 🥇🏆
I think in the best CPU for 2024 award goes to Arrow Lake IF the memory controller supports 10,000MT/s.
Pretty great achievement if true.