wth is up with taylor swift?

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mikeymikec

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I hate trump and I would never vote for that obese orange moron. Still not a Taylor Swift fan though.

Nor me There are some truly idiotic comments in this thread though that scream "because he told me to"! E.g.: "She can't sing!"... yeah, sure. I'm pretty sure every person with experience to recognise a professional singing voice would disagree.
 

repoman0

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Nor me There are some truly idiotic comments in this thread though that scream "because he told me to"! E.g.: "She can't sing!"... yeah, sure. I'm pretty sure every person with experience to recognise a professional singing voice would disagree.
I have noticed that as people learn more about playing and creating and understanding the structure of music, the less willing they become to write off talented “pop” artists like Taylor Swift as boring or commercial or talentless or whatever other descriptor that normies who think their musical taste is superior would throw her way.
 
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Torn Mind

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I have noticed that as people learn more about playing and creating and understanding the structure of music, the less willing they become to write off talented “pop” artists like Taylor Swift as boring or commercial or talentless or whatever other descriptor that normies who think their musical taste is superior would throw her way.
Learned musicians can be just as elitist as nonmusicians. In fact, their ability to play leads them to be just as stubbornly fallacious in their assessment of what is "good quality music", if not moreso.

Of them most simplest of fallacies is the damming of simplicity and the fetishization of complexity, even though the complexity isn't that much and people generally suck at writing succinctly, be it music or words. They should put their foot in the mouths and burn everything but Brahms. Then they can swallow whole all the length they want.
 

repoman0

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Learned musicians can be just as elitist as nonmusicians. In fact, their ability to play leads them to be just as stubbornly fallacious in their assessment of what is "good quality music", if not moreso.

Of them most simplest of fallacies is the damming of simplicity and the fetishization of complexity, even though the complexity isn't that much and people generally suck at writing succinctly, be it music or words. They should put their foot in the mouths and burn everything but Brahms. Then they can swallow whole all the length they want.
This hasn’t been my experience going from a teenage snob to half decent guitarist and classical piano player. I didn’t go to music school but kept a music school friend group through my time at college and watched them all go through the same transformation. That goes for friends in both the contemporary and classical schools in my area. Many of them are working musicians (modern and classical) and you won’t hear any of them shit talking Taylor Swift.
 

Torn Mind

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This hasn’t been my experience going from a teenage snob to half decent guitarist and classical piano player. I didn’t go to music school but kept a music school friend group through my time at college and watched them all go through the same transformation. That goes for friends in both the contemporary and classical schools in my area. Many of them are working musicians (modern and classical) and you won’t hear any of them shit talking Taylor Swift.
Rock snobs and classical snobs are not going to give Taylor her dues. "Hurr durr, same four chief sequence, pop sucks. Good music needs key changes", is basically Rick Beato's entire shtick.

My background was basically some rudimentary guitar in middle school and some piano in high school. But if not for JoJo and Mariah Carey, I wouldn't be simping Mozart as hard I as I do now. I'd still probably be preferring Beethoven instead. All because I now appreciate "thinking in terms of song".

The mediocrity of most musicians can manifest even in big names like Wagner. He thought Beethoven made a mistake with regards to the keys the insturment were in prior to the recapitulation of the Eroica, so he composed a "corrected version".

I defend Taylor not because of Swiftie passion, but because I'd be inconsistent as a Mozart lover. Yes, sometimes simpler, lower effort works do get appreciated when stripped of damning context. The K. 545 sonata wasn't meant to wow the public or even be published. It was to teach students the basics. It is far more basic than the works intended for a nobles compensation. No one can dispute its succinct yet musical flow, or that most cannot replicate those two elements.
 

nakedfrog

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This hasn’t been my experience going from a teenage snob to half decent guitarist and classical piano player. I didn’t go to music school but kept a music school friend group through my time at college and watched them all go through the same transformation. That goes for friends in both the contemporary and classical schools in my area. Many of them are working musicians (modern and classical) and you won’t hear any of them shit talking Taylor Swift.
I hang out with a bunch of musicians and I don't hear them shit talking Taylor Swift either. Or anyone, really. Hank Williams and John Prine are revered, they didn't write complicated songs. Nobody cares that Sublime's "What I Got' is only two chords.
 
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