Do you think Hezbollah leadership are not legitimate military targets?
Do you think Hezbollah leadership are not legitimate military targets?I don't understand what you are trying to say? If Hezbollah planted bombs in devices used by Israeli government and/or military and blew them up, the entire western world would be calling it terrorism. No one would say "Well those were legitimate military targets."
Do you think Israeli leadership are not legitimate military targets?Do you think Hezbollah leadership are not legitimate military targets?
Hezbollah do!Do you think Israeli leadership are not legitimate military targets?
Yeah. My point being because "our side" did this we call it legitimate. If the other side did the exact same thing we'd call it terrorism.Hezbollah do!
Can you believe these people trying to justify the attacks affecting civilians without care? Of course they don't care - either because the victims are brown and muslim (MAGA), or simply because they like to defend Israel's atrocities in some way (zionist Dems).Do you think Israeli leadership are not legitimate military targets?
Of course they are legitimate military targets. If someone attacked Israel's military leadership I would not call it terrorism because, well, it's clearly not.Do you think Israeli leadership are not legitimate military targets?
Yeah, I think you may have convinced me that this isn't really terrorism, it's just needless escalation.Of course they are legitimate military targets. If someone attacked Israel's military leadership I would not call it terrorism because, well, it's clearly not.
What if they assassinated an Israeli leader in a crowded cafe or grocery store with a bomb and killed and maimed many civilians. Would that be terrorism?Of course they are legitimate military targets. If someone attacked Israel's military leadership I would not call it terrorism because, well, it's clearly not.
Surprisingly there is one notable voice from the US who calls it terrorism:Yeah. My point being because "our side" did this we call it legitimate. If the other side did the exact same thing we'd call it terrorism.
The Unabomber as a nation?Surprisingly there is one notable voice from the US who calls it terrorism:
Yeah, I’m not at all sure if this was a smart move either, haha.Yeah, I think you may have convinced me that this isn't really terrorism, it's just needless escalation.
If Ukraine had done this to Russia I'd think it was great.
Because religion makes people stupid sometimes.I remember a Star Trek episode where a two nation world had reached a treaty which allowed each side to nuke a fixed number of cities no the other side. Why can’t the Israelis and Palestinians make sensible agreements like that?
That's why as a young man the negotiating position I would have taken, were I in control of the US military, would have been to order a one year time frame for the two antagonistic parties to come up with a mutually agreed on solution or any survivors would be fighting over green glass. For decades now these two teeny populations have been internationalizing their selfish arrogance. That kind of contagion should end. For each side the belief runs that there will be peace if they can just exterminate the other side but each thrives on the fact that the other side exists. The world should inform both their theory is going to be tested.Because religion makes people stupid sometimes.
From a purely political perspective there’s pretty clearly a deal to be made here. The issue is that some elements of both sides view the land in question as some of the holiest places on earth. It’s very hard to voluntarily deal away the promised land.
Deescalation is going swimmingly well today.Yeah. My point being because "our side" did this we call it legitimate. If the other side did the exact same thing we'd call it terrorism.
Regardless, I don't think escalation is the solution to middle east piece.
Problem with Hezbollah is that they aren't going to negotiate for Lebanon's best interest. They need to take into account Iran's benefits. I don't see how peace will be possible in the region until Iran's influence is removed.Because religion makes people stupid sometimes.
From a purely political perspective there’s pretty clearly a deal to be made here. The issue is that some elements of both sides view the land in question as some of the holiest places on earth. It’s very hard to voluntarily deal away the promised land.
So as long as you call them a terrorist group, you can commit acts of terror against them?
I think one of the key distinctions is we do not recognize Hezbollah as representing the Lebanese government.If the roles were reversed everyone would be calling this an act of terrorism. It's tit for tat violence.
As a close observer of Hezb since their birth after the 1982 Lebanon invasion, have feeling this is simply Israeli disinformation. This is way out of character for them to act like this. ISIS might, but not Hezb. Furthermore, this is not backed by any reports from that period nor any articles referencing anything like this. This is just a fresh disinfo item that was created recently. Kind of like those 40 beheaded babies.I think one of the key distinctions is we do not recognize Hezbollah as representing the Lebanese government.
It is a military parasite that acts independently of the Lebanese people at large.
A cancerous growth that brings death to the Lebanese people, in its crusade to bring death to other people (Israel).
The US Government calls Hezbollah a terrorist group.
The people of Syria also have nothing nice to say after what Hezbollah did for Assad.
'They slaughtered, raped and buried us alive': Syrians praise blows to Hezbollah
Many Syrians, especially the Sunni population, have not forgotten Hezbollah's brutal role in their country's civil war, where it indiscriminately slaughtered their friends and families.
No kidding. It's still weird to me how some still can't condemn Israel (the best I've read is, I disagree with the conduct of the war or not sure if it's a good idea) outright. Reminds of how the mainstream media grades Trump on a giant curve but is easily willing to blast Biden/Harris if something slips. Talk about fairness... Or lack thereof.Israel's actions have crossed those of being a terrorist nation state for well over a decade now.
This was pretty much my point about the pagers. The reported 'collateral damage' (I hate that phrase) from the pagers was orders of magnitude less than that from the airstrikes. This is why, to me, it seems weird to call out the exploding pagers specifically as opposed to the more traditional responses.Without knowing the extent of the "collateral damage" of the pagers operation, it's difficult to say precisely if the civilian casualties were "minimized." @WelshBloke implies that the innocent body count can't be that high, because we'd have heard of it by now. That doesn't sound unreasonable.
Unfortunately, today's body count in Lebanon is significantly higher (and still just a fraction of the unknown toll in Gaza over the past year).