Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes Discussion Threads

Tigerick · Aug 22, 2022

As Hot Chips 34 starting this week, Intel will unveil technical information of upcoming Meteor Lake (MTL) and Arrow Lake (ARL), new generation platform after Raptor Lake. Both MTL and ARL represent new direction which Intel will move to multiple chiplets and combine as one SoC platform.

MTL also represents new compute tile that based on Intel 4 process which is based on EUV lithography, a first from Intel. Intel expects to ship MTL mobile SoC in 2023.

ARL will come after MTL so Intel should be shipping it in 2024, that is what Intel roadmap is telling us. ARL compute tile will be manufactured by Intel 20A process, a first from Intel to use GAA transistors called RibbonFET.

Comparison of upcoming Intel's U-series CPU: Core Ultra 100U, Lunar Lake and Panther Lake

Model	Code-Name	Date	TDP	Node	Tiles	Main Tile	CPU	LP E-Core	LLC	GPU	Xe-cores
Core Ultra 100U	Meteor Lake	Q4 2023	15 - 57 W	Intel 4 + N5 + N6	4	tCPU	2P + 8E	2	12 MB	Intel Graphics	4
?	Lunar Lake	Q4 2024	17 - 30 W	N3B + N6	2	CPU + GPU & IMC	4P + 4E	0	12 MB	Arc	8
?	Panther Lake	Q1 2026 ?	?	Intel 18A + N3E	3	CPU + MC	4P + 8E	4	?	Arc	12

Comparison of die size of Each Tile of Meteor Lake, Arrow Lake, Lunar Lake and Panther Lake

	Meteor Lake	Arrow Lake (20A)	Arrow Lake (N3B)	Lunar Lake	Panther Lake
Platform	Mobile H/U Only	Desktop Only	Desktop & Mobile H&HX	Mobile U Only	Mobile H
Process Node	Intel 4	Intel 20A	TSMC N3B	TSMC N3B	Intel 18A
Date	Q4 2023	Q1 2025 ?	Desktop-Q4-2024 H&HX-Q1-2025	Q4 2024	Q1 2026 ?
Full Die	6P + 8P	6P + 8E ?	8P + 16E	4P + 4E	4P + 8E
LLC	24 MB	24 MB ?	36 MB ?	12 MB	?
tCPU	66.48
tGPU	44.45
SoC	96.77
IOE	44.45
Total	252.15

Intel Core Ultra 100 - Meteor Lake

As mentioned by Tomshardware, TSMC will manufacture the I/O, SoC, and GPU tiles. That means Intel will manufacture only the CPU and Foveros tiles. (Notably, Intel calls the I/O tile an 'I/O Expander,' hence the IOE moniker.)

511 · Tuesday at 3:52 AM

Kepler_L2 said:
Arrow -> Nova -> Razer -> Titan IIRC.

I thought it was tomato lake for sure

Tomato Lake · East Cook, Minnesota 55604, USA

See

www.google.com

511 · Tuesday at 3:55 AM

DrMrLordX said:
Sure, let's start with that question. Pretty sure I already know the answer but it would be nice to get someone else's thoughts on it.

Yes it will require different mask
https://fuse.wikichip.org/news/7375/tsmc-n3-and-challenges-ahead/

DrMrLordX said:
It might be yeah, but isn't Falcon Shores cancelled anyway?

It is not iirc who said about it's cancellation

511 · Tuesday at 3:55 AM

What is the time for LNL Embargo with proper timezone lol 24 is upon us on the world

poke01 · Tuesday at 4:17 AM

511 said:
What is the time for LNL Embargo with proper timezone lol 24 is upon us on the world

6 more hrs till 24th in Australia

poke01 · Tuesday at 5:27 AM

Asus Zenbook S 14 14" 3K OLED Laptop (Intel Core Ultra 7)[1TB]

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At that point most would get a MacBook Pro 14”.

What is this pricing it’s competing with the M3 Pro???

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This one is good but it’s out till 17th oct. this price is much more sane makes the base 14” M3 8GB model look like crap. Now if Apple does move to 16GB on base M4 14” then Lenovo would need to discount this one further down.

igor_kavinski · Tuesday at 6:04 AM

Kepler_L2 said:
Arrow -> Nova -> Razer -> Titan IIRC.

Do you have more details? Please? Pretty please?

Even just little nuggets.

LIKE:

Which one debuts rentable units?
Which one has AVX10?
Which one goes beyond 8 P-cores?
Which one ditches the P-cores and the E-cores become the new P-cores?
Which one finally has the E-core EMBEDDED in the P-core so for low power, the P-core region shuts off during low activity?

igor_kavinski · Tuesday at 6:06 AM

poke01 said:
Microsoft Hobbles Intel Once Again

Microsoft’s screwing over Intel in May was just the beginning, things are going downhill fast.

www.semiaccurate.com

this reads like an Intel PR piece. Windows is a POS for every chip from either from AMD or Intel.

But it makes sense. Microsoft is actively trying to sabotage x86 because they can't create their own x86 chips.

SteinFG · Tuesday at 6:07 AM

igor_kavinski said:
Which one debuts rentable units?
Which one has AVX10?
Which one goes beyond 8 P-cores?
Which one ditches the P-cores and the E-cores become the new P-cores?
Which one finally has the E-core EMBEDDED in the P-core so for low power, the P-core region shuts off during low activity?

To every one of them - Most likely none

igor_kavinski · Tuesday at 6:09 AM

poke01 said:
Now if Apple does move to 16GB on base M4 14” then Lenovo would need to discount this one further down.

It will get discounted anyway. That's the beauty of x86 laptops. You can actually afford them sooner or later.

igor_kavinski · Tuesday at 6:09 AM

SteinFG said:
To every one of them - Most likely none

Ye of little faith.

511 · Tuesday at 6:10 AM

poke01 said:
6 more hrs till 24th in Australia

It's already 24 there lol are you following Intel's Watch? 🤣

511 · Tuesday at 6:10 AM

igor_kavinski said:
Do you have more details? Please? Pretty please?

Even just little nuggets.

LIKE:

Which one debuts rentable units?
Which one has AVX10?
Which one goes beyond 8 P-cores?
Which one ditches the P-cores and the E-cores become the new P-cores?
Which one finally has the E-core EMBEDDED in the P-core so for low power, the P-core region shuts off during low activity?

AVX 10 is GNR and panther lake and Clearwater forest

igor_kavinski · Tuesday at 6:14 AM

511 said:
AVX 10 is GNR and panther lake and Clearwater forest

So Nova should have it?

poke01 · Tuesday at 6:17 AM

igor_kavinski said:
It will get discounted anyway. That's the beauty of x86 laptops. You can actually afford them sooner or later.

Apples laptops get discounted too by bestbuy, Costco, Amazon and JB-Hi-fi after a few months. By quite a lot too

Qualcomms do as well, nothing do with x86 at all.

poke01 · Tuesday at 6:17 AM

511 said:
It's already 24 there lol are you following Intel's Watch? 🤣

I lost track of time lol

poke01 · Tuesday at 6:18 AM

igor_kavinski said:
But it makes sense. Microsoft is actively trying to sabotage x86 because they can't create their own x86 chips.

I dont get ms at all. You should be helping Intel not destroying it.

poke01 · Tuesday at 6:20 AM

2hrs people, emarbo seems to lift at 11PM AEST

igor_kavinski · Tuesday at 6:20 AM

poke01 said:
Apples laptops get discounted too by bestbuy, Costco, Amazon and JB-Hi-fi after a few months. By quite a lot too

Qualcomms do as well, nothing do with x86 at all.

Not where I live, unfortunately.

511 · Tuesday at 6:21 AM

igor_kavinski said:
So Nova should have it?

Yes also the info was present in their PR for AVX 10

Intel Unveils AVX10 and APX Instruction Sets: Unifying AVX-512 For Hybrid Architectures

www.anandtech.com

511 · Tuesday at 6:23 AM

poke01 said:
Asus Zenbook S 14 14" 3K OLED Laptop (Intel Core Ultra 7)[1TB]

With ASUS have created another winner. Grab a bargain on one today at JB Hi-Fi

www.jbhifi.com.au

At that point most would get a MacBook Pro 14”.

What is this pricing it’s competing with the M3 Pro???

Lenovo Yoga Slim 7i 15.3" 2.8K 120Hz Laptop (Intel Core Ultra 7)[1TB]

With Seize maximum creative freedom with the Yoga Slim 7i Aura Edition., LENOVO - YOGA has delivered the goods once again. Grab a bargain on one today at JB Hi-Fi

www.jbhifi.com.au

This one is good but it’s out till 17th oct. this price is much more sane makes the base 14” M3 8GB model look like crap. Now if Apple does move to 16GB on base M4 14” then Lenovo would need to discount this one further down.

Apple and Price Cuts these two things can't fit in a single sentence correct me if i am wrong 🤣
I can predict base M4 will be 12GB and it will be +$100 over the previous one

igor_kavinski · Tuesday at 6:26 AM

511 said:
I can predict base M4 will be 12GB and it will be +$100 over the previous one

+$200 coz the cheap plebs can get M3 ones if they wanna save a few bucks. When the M2 debuted in UAE, it was almost +$250 for the base model compared to M1 base.

poke01 · Tuesday at 6:29 AM

igor_kavinski said:
Not where I live, unfortunately.

511 said:
Apple and Price Cuts these two things can't fit in a single sentence correct me if i am wrong 🤣
I can predict base M4 will be 12GB and it will be +$100 over the previous one

Oh definitely

inquiss · Tuesday at 7:34 AM

SteinFG said:
Why not CAMM2 with DDR6? Some of you are really convinced DDR6 is not coming to desktop

Because it's prohibitively expensive and a sure-fire way to make sure you don't sell anything.

cebri1 · Tuesday at 7:35 AM

https://twitter.com/x/status/1838532767774019785

igor_kavinski · Tuesday at 8:09 AM

cebri1 said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1838532767774019785

Must be an inside joke or something. Pairing the Panther CPU with a Cougar core.

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