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As Hot Chips 34 starting this week, Intel will unveil technical information of upcoming Meteor Lake (MTL) and Arrow Lake (ARL), new generation platform after Raptor Lake. Both MTL and ARL represent new direction which Intel will move to multiple chiplets and combine as one SoC platform.

MTL also represents new compute tile that based on Intel 4 process which is based on EUV lithography, a first from Intel. Intel expects to ship MTL mobile SoC in 2023.

ARL will come after MTL so Intel should be shipping it in 2024, that is what Intel roadmap is telling us. ARL compute tile will be manufactured by Intel 20A process, a first from Intel to use GAA transistors called RibbonFET.



Comparison of upcoming Intel's U-series CPU: Core Ultra 100U, Lunar Lake and Panther Lake

ModelCode-NameDateTDPNodeTilesMain TileCPULP E-CoreLLCGPUXe-cores
Core Ultra 100UMeteor LakeQ4 202315 - 57 WIntel 4 + N5 + N64tCPU2P + 8E212 MBIntel Graphics4
?Lunar LakeQ4 202417 - 30 WN3B + N62CPU + GPU & IMC4P + 4E012 MBArc8
?Panther LakeQ1 2026 ??Intel 18A + N3E3CPU + MC4P + 8E4?Arc12



Comparison of die size of Each Tile of Meteor Lake, Arrow Lake, Lunar Lake and Panther Lake

Meteor LakeArrow Lake (N3B)Lunar LakePanther Lake
PlatformMobile H/U OnlyDesktop & Mobile H&HXMobile U OnlyMobile H
Process NodeIntel 4TSMC N3BTSMC N3BIntel 18A
DateQ4 2023Desktop-Q4-2024
H&HX-Q1-2025		Q4 2024Q1 2026 ?
Full Die6P + 8P8P + 16E4P + 4E4P + 8E
LLC24 MB36 MB ?12 MB?
tCPU66.48
tGPU44.45
SoC96.77
IOE44.45
Total252.15



Intel Core Ultra 100 - Meteor Lake



As mentioned by Tomshardware, TSMC will manufacture the I/O, SoC, and GPU tiles. That means Intel will manufacture only the CPU and Foveros tiles. (Notably, Intel calls the I/O tile an 'I/O Expander,' hence the IOE moniker.)



 

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Hitman928 said:
I’ve only seen 1 288v sample tested so far and it scored 125.
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There s a 288V tested at Computerbase, it score 127, what would Intel do without Maxon s "updated" benchs, because in CB R15/20/23 it s not as good, and is slightly slower per clock vs the 370 in 7 Zip ST, wich is in line with Spec_int scores.

Intel Core Ultra 9 288V „Lunar Lake“ im Test

Es ist so weit: Nach einem Jahr Salamischeibenmarketing ist Intel Lunar Lake ab sofort verfügbar. Core Ultra 200V überzeugt im Test.
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gdansk said:
But Pat, where is my fanless x86 laptop?
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It’s good but not anywhere near fanless good.

This is likely why, an all core load consumes about 30 watts with peaks of 36 watts. Of course Lunar Lake can be configured with 9 watts but then it would be slower than M2.
 
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poke01 said:
It’s good but not anywhere near fanless good.

This is likely why, an all core load consumes about 30 watts with peaks of 36 watts. Of course Lunar Lake can be configured with 9 watts but then it would be slower than M2.
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I think this might be where LNL is actually a hard sell for Intel. It seems that OEMs are wanting to push it into ‘U’ class territory power consumption to get higher performance and put a nice OLED screen on it, but then they kinda defeats the purpose of the chip. Hope I’m wrong though.
 
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From these early reviews, Lunar Lake seems like the best x86 platforms for thin and lights by a good distance. But looking at performance across different power modes it's a bit infuriating these early designs even made their "full speed" modes 28/30W because it really doesn't seem to have a major impact on performance going from there to the low/mid 20s while it makes a big thermal and noise difference in designs that thin.

Of course there's the option of using only the lower power modes but it makes me wonder why Intel or AMD would even bother continuing to optimize low power performance when OEMs are going to stubbornly redline those chips outside their efficiency window anyway... If Asus/Lenovo are going to make them run at 30W anyway, they might as well have 16 threads and not 8.
 
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Hitman928 said:
I think this might be where LNL is actually a hard sell for Intel. It seems that OEMs are wanting to push it into ‘U’ class territory power consumption to get higher performance and put a nice OLED screen on it, but then they kinda defeats the purpose of the chip. Hope I’m wrong though.
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This is why I’m a bit annoyed and perplexed as to why they chose ARL-U to just be a MTL refresh. If they had chosen Lion Cove and Skymont, they wouldn’t have a gap in their product line with a different architecture between the V and H classes. Pretty much looks like the 288V is the only thing that could try to compete in the higher power “U” segment.

Ideally, they would have something to compete like for like against the HX 370/375.
 
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These battery life tests with different displays and different display sizes etc just seem pointless. A 16" laptop with a brighter display drains quicker than a 14"? Who is surprised by that?

That said, I do like the GPU gains. Although once again, how many people are really gaming on thin and light laptops? Seems a very niche type of demand.
 
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Magio said:
From these early reviews, Lunar Lake seems like the best x86 platforms for thin and lights by a good distance. But looking at performance across different power modes it's a bit infuriating these early designs even made their "full speed" modes 28/30W because it really doesn't seem to have a major impact on performance going from there to the low/mid 20s while it makes a big thermal and noise difference in designs that thin.

Of course there's the option of using only the lower power modes but it makes me wonder why Intel or AMD would even bother continuing to optimize low power performance when OEMs are going to stubbornly redline those chips outside their efficiency window anyway... If Asus/Lenovo are going to make them run at 30W anyway, they might as well have 16 threads and not 8.
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Hitman928 said:
I think this might be where LNL is actually a hard sell for Intel. It seems that OEMs are wanting to push it into ‘U’ class territory power consumption to get higher performance and put a nice OLED screen on it, but then they kinda defeats the purpose of the chip. Hope I’m wrong though.
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At least in the case of Asus, with the Zenbook 14 they actually set the default out of box power mode to just 19 watts at steady state. You only get the 28W+ behavior in performance mode.

Lenovo seems to want to push power a little more but I think it makes no sense given there is already not much performance gain above 20W.
 
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