8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

BFG10K · Jul 13, 2021

8GB

Dying Light 2, Battlefield 2042, Avatar Frontiers of Pandora, Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3, Starfield, Forza Horizon 5, Horizon Forbidden West, Alan Wake 2, The Last of Us, Tekken 8, FC 24, Detroit Become Human, Death Stranding, Alone in The Dark, Overwatch 2
3060 12GB higher 1% low than 4060 8GB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIfz57wmywg
Cyberpunk 2077, Diablo 4, Hogwarts Legacy, Horizon Zero Dawn, Microsoft Flight Sim 2020, Witcher 3, Watch Dogs Legion skip to 4K + DLSS for each game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPiaWWd0xGc
Ratchet & Clank, Plague Tale Requiem, Last Of Us, Jedi Survivor, Far Cry 6, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Cyberpunk 2077 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr3MckDxMfE&pp=ygUTMTZnYiB2cyA4Z2IgNDA2MCB0aQ==
Far Cry 6, Godfall, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Forspoken, Doom Eternal, Watchdogs Legion https://youtu.be/fJc--C01P90?t=268
Last Of Us, Resident Evil 4, Callisto Protocol, Plague Tale Requiem, Halo Infinite, Forspoken https://youtu.be/2_Y3E631ro8?t=429
Last Of Us, Hogwarts Legacy, Resident Evil 4, Forspoken, Plague Tale Requiem, Callisto Protocol https://youtu.be/Rh7kFgHe21k?t=288
Hogwarts Legacy, Last Of Us, Spider Man Remastered, Doom Eternal, Forza Horizon 5 https://youtu.be/R943CbDTq_s?t=1473
Horizon Forbidden West 4060 has issues @ 1080p + DLSS unless you switch off frame generation and reduce settings to high https://youtu.be/3AyKvI23VGw?t=233
Horizon Forbidden West 3070 requires reducing textures 2 notches https://youtu.be/xTwEGy6HHKo?t=351
Deathloop https://youtu.be/lu_XHyO-6zY?t=918
Ghost Recon Breakpoint https://youtu.be/iUGppQVpXzU?t=529
Resident Evil 2 https://youtu.be/Aa-gsgRjMII?t=796
Talos Principle 2 https://youtu.be/K6FATQAuEwI?t=337
Spider Man Remastered https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1060
Witcher 3 https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1240

Horizon Forbidden West 3060 is faster than the 2080 Super despite the former usually competing with the 2070. Also 3060 has a better 1% low than 4060 and 4060Ti 8GB.

Resident Evil Village 3060TI/3070 tanks at 4K and is slower than the 3060/6700XT when ray tracing:

Company Of Heroes 3060 has a higher minimum than the 3070TI:

10GB / 12GB

Plague Tale Requiem 3080 10GB tanks if you enable ray tracing, would be fast enough if it had more VRAM because if you stop moving, the framerate stabilizes to >60FPS https://youtu.be/7zjrMww3fAc?t=496
Hogwarts Legacy 4K + RT, 4060Ti 16GB is faster than 4070 12GB https://youtu.be/X-h_R488Mq8?t=191

Reasons why still shipping 8GB since 2014 isn't NV's fault.

It's the player's fault.
It's the reviewer's fault.
It's the developer's fault.
It's AMD's fault.
It's the game's fault.
It's the driver's fault.
It's a system configuration issue.
Wrong settings were tested.
Wrong area was tested.
Wrong games were tested.
4K is irrelevant.
Texture quality is irrelevant as long as it matches a console's.
Detail levels are irrelevant as long as they match a console's.
There's no reason a game should use more than 8GB, because a random forum user said so.
It's completely acceptable for the more expensive 3070/3070TI/3080 to turn down settings while the cheaper 3060/6700XT has no issue.
It's an anomaly.
It's a console port.
It's a conspiracy against NV.
8GB cards aren't meant for 4K / 1440p / 1080p / 720p gaming.
It's completely acceptable to disable ray tracing on NV while AMD has no issue.
Polls, hardware market share, and game title count are evidence 8GB is enough, but are totally ignored when they don't suit the ray tracing agenda.

According to some people here, 8GB is neeeevaaaaah NV's fault and objective evidence "doesn't count" because of reasons(tm). If you have others please let me know and I'll add them to the list. Cheers!

psolord · Sep 25, 2024

igor_kavinski said:
Nope. 8GB cards manage their tiny VRAM buffers better.

/s

Hey as long as it's not floppy!

psolord · Sep 25, 2024

DAPUNISHER said:
Bigger bar better fails again? 25 second test loop to blame? How else does a 4060ti having run out of framebuffer have the same min FPS as its 16GB bro? DRS bug? Textures not loading and/or popping in, or horrible frame times should be the result, yes? Chart can't show the potential visual issues either.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/god-of-war-ragnarok-fps-performance-benchmark/5.html

This one does not have a VRAM problem either.

Here is my 3060ti, 40 minute run. I made this one challenging. It is at 4k DLSS Balanced, essentially 1248p, but at ULTRA preset,. Still higher than 1080p and certainly quite higher than what the 3060ti would be used for. No pop up, no textures missing and that on a 11yo cpu. No it's not perfect. It has many framedrops. This is just a proof of concept run.

Also if you want to know.

RX6600, 1080p Ultra, FSR3 quality, same run, perfect 60fps. No vram problems either, gpu power limited as well. It cannot do what the 3060ti can do, despite the same framebuffer.

RTX 4070ti, 4k, Ultra, DLAA, pretty close to 60fps, has some framedrops.

GTX 1070, I don't know, because the devs decided the game needs FMA,AVX2 and F16C capable cpu and my 2700k does not. GTFO.

Also if you want to know and are an old hardware lover like myself, the game did run on a GTX 970, even if it needed a mod at the time. It's not great, but if the GTX 970 can run it at ~30fps, I bet 8GB cards will be fine.

More on that from gamegpu. 3060 is tanking again. VRAM aint helping.

coercitiv · Sep 25, 2024

How to spot slanted presentation in one easy step:

RX6600: "perfect 60fps"
3060: "is tanking again"

The cards:

igor_kavinski · Sep 25, 2024

coercitiv said:
How to spot slanted presentation in one easy step:

RX6600: "perfect 60fps"

3060: "is tanking again"

The cards:
View attachment 108202

I bet he would've good things to say about 3060 12GB IF he owned it

SolidQ · Sep 25, 2024

We have start for new system requirements
Monster Hunter Wilds

marees · Sep 25, 2024

SolidQ said:
We have start for new system requirements
Monster Hunter Wilds

Interesting. DLSS FG has a VRAM penalty

Ranulf · Sep 25, 2024

Huh, so a 2070 is equal to a 4060 but one has no FG, well nvidia version. Pretty crazy specs though. Glad I never got into the MH games.

DAPUNISHER · Sep 25, 2024

60fps using frame gen will be laggy as hell. Wait for gameplay to see what's up, as always.

igor_kavinski · Sep 25, 2024

DAPUNISHER said:
60fps using frame gen will be laggy as hell.

Could be it that the game developers don't really understand FG? Or are they capitalizing on the fact that most gamers don't know what it really does?

Ranulf · Sep 25, 2024

DAPUNISHER said:
60fps using frame gen will be laggy as hell. Wait for gameplay to see what's up, as always.

Heh, Daniel Owen mentions this within the first minute, via AMD's own website that they recommend 60fps minimum before turning on FG.

SolidQ · Sep 25, 2024

igor_kavinski said:
most gamers don't know what it really does

most gamers didn't know about pc setting, they just press start game and play.

Huh, so a 2070 is equal to a 4060 but one has no FG, well nvidia version

FSR FG?

Could be it that the game developers don't really understand FG

looking how they achieve very high quality graphic in PS4 era, and now. Seems they don't know where to move
Maybe that because PS4 have GCN arch, which game + compute, RDNA pure gaming. So PS6 with UDNA should bring big boost

Mopetar · Sep 25, 2024

psolord said:
Ummm....I was referring to the Age of Mythology RT results. CPU has nothing to do with it here. According to your logic, this is a proper result that we should pay attention to, since it's "maxed out" settings right?

View attachment 108196

I missed that this is a modern remake and had assumed it was the original from decades ago. It still doesn't make your point. It just shows that the used something specific to NVidia that runs poorly on AMD cards. Trying to conflate that with arguments about VRAM is not only wrong, it's dishonest as hell and frankly anyone with a clue should have been able to tell that just from looking at the chart you've posted.

Even worse for you it also disproves the point you thought you were trying to make. The 3080 is 35% better in that chart than the 3070 Ti. Using TPUs results (https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3070-ti-founders-edition/28.html) for their suite of games, a 3080 is on average 11% better than a 3070 Ti. The only way we should see a number like 35% is if the 8 GB VRAM in the 3070 Ti is bottlenecking the card's performance and the extra 2 GB that the 3080 had doesn't hold that card back.

Or to put it another way, the 3070 Ti is losing 11 FPS based on TPUs relative performance charts because it only has 8 GB VRAM. Whoops. I hope no one spent $600 on a card leaving so much performance on the table.

Ranulf · Sep 25, 2024

Heh, from the Monster hunter website, the min specs say we're ok at 6GB vram for 30fps. Upscaled 720p to 1080.

jpiniero · Sep 25, 2024

Mopetar said:
Even worse for you it also disproves the point you thought you were trying to make. The 3080 is 35% better in that chart than the 3070 Ti. Using TPUs results (https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3070-ti-founders-edition/28.html) for their suite of games, a 3080 is on average 11% better than a 3070 Ti. The only way we should see a number like 35% is if the 8 GB VRAM in the 3070 Ti is bottlenecking the card's performance and the extra 2 GB that the 3080 had doesn't hold that card back.

At stock, the 3080 has 37% more compute and fill rate and 25% more memory bandwidth though. Performance wise it should be a lot closer to 35% than 11%.

SolidQ · Sep 25, 2024

Is Nvidia FG much heavier? No enough AI speed?

Golgatha · Sep 26, 2024

Ranulf said:
Huh, so a 2070 is equal to a 4060 but one has no FG, well nvidia version. Pretty crazy specs though. Glad I never got into the MH games.

Not really a VRAM issue, but more of a monopoly one, is that my laptop with a 2070 8GB mobile plays pretty much the same games at the same settings as anything nVidia has in the mobile space that's attached to 8GB of VRAM currently. I absolutely hate that one has to spend $2k+ in the mobile space to get a gaming laptop that has any amount of longevity to it.

Mopetar · Sep 26, 2024

jpiniero said:
At stock, the 3080 has 37% more compute and fill rate and 25% more memory bandwidth though. Performance wise it should be a lot closer to 35% than 11%.

The 11% comes from TPUs actual testing results across their 22 game teat suite in 1080p. The 3080 widens performance at 1440p and 4K resolution, but the bigger GPUs have never scaled actual performance with their theoretical uplift based on paper specs. It's just Amdahl's law at work and everyone has known that you see diminishing returns the further you move up the stack.

For instance, in the same chart the 3060 gets 69% of the performance of the 3070 Ti, yet it only has 58% of the shaders, 83% of the base clock speed, and 59% of the memory bandwidth. In other words the 3070 Ti loses about 17% of its theoretical performance edge over the 3060 in the real world. Though that card does have 12 GB of VRAM so if there are games in the test suite where 8 GB bottlenecks performance, it would let the 3060 punch above its weight compared to the 3070 Ti.

jpiniero · Sep 27, 2024

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5080-also-rumored-with-24gb-memory-reportedly-using-3gb-gddr7-modules

Hey, whatya know... nVidia is indeed testing 3 GB chips. Doesn't mean it will make it into a final product, esp first time around... but it seems more plausible if they are testing it.

Will that stop the complaining if they end up offering that as an option across the board? Haha, no.

SolidQ · Sep 28, 2024

Kingdom come 2 deliverance. Preview perfomance

https://twitter.com/x/status/1839317141855822190

marees · Sep 29, 2024

This needs stressing again & again:

If you intend to play PS5 exclusive games such as Ratchet & Clank or Spiderman then either buy a PS5/PS5 pro or buy a card with more VRAM
👇

Ratchet & Clank...

This title is one of those where the developers have easily observable optimisations which work specifically on the console hardware. The PS5 Performance mode achieves a locked 60 fps on the console but, here, we're VRAM limited* on the RX 6650 XT. This is multiplied multi-fold when switching to 4K resolution... and the 16 GB framebuffer of the RX 7600 XT handles both situations with ease.

Analyse This: Simulating the PS5 Pro... (Part 2)

It's the power of... The Playstation 5 Pro talk is really hogging the headlines but I really wasn't 100% happy with my prior look/simulatio...

hole-in-my-head.blogspot.com

ToTTenTranz · Sep 29, 2024

marees said:
This needs stressing again & again:

If you intend to play PS5 exclusive games such as Ratchet & Clank or Spiderman then either buy a PS5/PS5 pro or buy a card with more VRAM
👇

Ratchet & Clank...
This title is one of those where the developers have easily observable optimisations which work specifically on the console hardware. The PS5 Performance mode achieves a locked 60 fps on the console but, here, we're VRAM limited* on the RX 6650 XT. This is multiplied multi-fold when switching to 4K resolution... and the 16 GB framebuffer of the RX 7600 XT handles both situations with ease.

Analyse This: Simulating the PS5 Pro... (Part 2)

It's the power of... The Playstation 5 Pro talk is really hogging the headlines but I really wasn't 100% happy with my prior look/simulatio...

hole-in-my-head.blogspot.com

I don't know who the author is, but the PS5 usually renders at 1440p and the RX 6700 has 2.5 times the amount of Infinity Cache (at 2.5x the bandwidth per clock) over the RX 6650XT which definitely makes a big difference at that base resolution.
They assumed those cards were similar from the 1080p results, but they're probably not that similar at 1440p and up.

SolidQ · Oct 1, 2024

Megalight feature

7900XTX VRAM not enough for

psolord · Oct 2, 2024

psolord said:
RX6600, 1080p Ultra, FSR3 quality, same run, perfect 60fps. No vram problems either, gpu power limited as well. It cannot do what the 3060ti can do, despite the same framebuffer.

coercitiv said:
How to spot slanted presentation in one easy step:

RX6600: "perfect 60fps"

3060: "is tanking again"

The cards:
View attachment 108202

You all are seriously biased against everything I say in this thread, oh my god.

I was referring to what I found out from my own testing and I am clearly saying FSR3 quality up there. You took the results I posted without FSR3.

This is the aforementioned rx6600 run

And yes, this falls under what I call "correct settings".

psolord · Oct 2, 2024

Mopetar said:
I missed that this is a modern remake and had assumed it was the original from decades ago. It still doesn't make your point. It just shows that the used something specific to NVidia that runs poorly on AMD cards. Trying to conflate that with arguments about VRAM is not only wrong, it's dishonest as hell and frankly anyone with a clue should have been able to tell that just from looking at the chart you've posted.

This was not meant to be Nvidia vs AMD, rather VRAM vs GPU power, with accordance to what you requested, meaning the games being tested at max, no matter what.

In my book that was a stupid example, as are many of the examples people are looking here.

Mopetar said:
Even worse for you it also disproves the point you thought you were trying to make. The 3080 is 35% better in that chart than the 3070 Ti. Using TPUs results (https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3070-ti-founders-edition/28.html) for their suite of games, a 3080 is on average 11% better than a 3070 Ti. The only way we should see a number like 35% is if the 8 GB VRAM in the 3070 Ti is bottlenecking the card's performance and the extra 2 GB that the 3080 had doesn't hold that card back.

Oh but it does prove my point exactly. The 3080 has 68 RT cores while the 3070ti only has 48 RT cores. That's a 42% difference and will most likely pop up its ugly head, once heavy RT is used

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Specs

NVIDIA GA102, 1710 MHz, 8704 Cores, 272 TMUs, 96 ROPs, 10240 MB GDDR6X, 1188 MHz, 320 bit

www.techpowerup.com

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Specs

NVIDIA GA104, 1770 MHz, 6144 Cores, 192 TMUs, 96 ROPs, 8192 MB GDDR6X, 1188 MHz, 256 bit

www.techpowerup.com

psolord · Oct 2, 2024

igor_kavinski said:
I bet he would've good things to say about 3060 12GB IF he owned it

I wouldn't own it though, as I already don't, because I don't belong to the ignoramuses that see 12GB on the box and get impressed!

Here is some more future proofing of the 3060, from latest tests of gamegpu.....

Greedfall II
Enotria
Forever Winter
Starfield Shattered Space
Throne and Liberty

Everything unplayable, without the mandatory applying of correct settings!

8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

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