End of the year is close. Intel is 6months-1year too late with this :/
Even with 4070super perf. top dgpu needs to be ~ 449$ or lower (7800xt price) to sell. Only hope is rdna4 CES and 5060/5070 feb/march.
Don't forget that this is mostly Nvidia's strong arming tactics that prevented more AIBs from getting onboard the ARC bandwagon.Intel's share of the discrete GPU market drops to 0% as overall sales increase
Nvidia shows massive year-over-year growth.www.tomshardware.com
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This is my visual metaphor for what's happening at Intel nowI think once Arrow Lake launch is done, they'll better be able to focus on Battlemage launch. Right now all hands on deck must be frantically running around trying to ensure a smooth Arrow Lake launch because so much of their very existence depends on it. They have already lost tons of customers to AMD's X3D CPUs and they are not coming back to Intel for at least a year at the minimum.
With TSMC costs involved, and their present financial situation, can they afford to eat into margins like that? My guess is no. Drivers are still not on par either. I see tough sledding ahead for Gandalf; like Caradhras tough.If they really get to 4070S perf, RDNA4 could end up just around 15% faster. If they price it right, they could easily be competitive with AMD.
I don't think Nvidia had much to do with it. Low volume, low margins, potential brand damage from buggy products, are more likely reasons IMO.Don't forget that this is mostly Nvidia's strong arming tactics that prevented more AIBs from getting onboard the ARC bandwagon.
Intel seriously needs to launch a lawsuit against them.
Ummm that's kinda debatable. If ASUS had released a few products, probably enough enthusiasts would've woken up from their Nvidia induced RTX slumber to check out what all the fuss was about and maybe said favorable things about ARC on online forums etc. thus starting a chain reaction of other people wondering if ARCs were usable for daily usage and biting on the low cost of the 16GB A770. Especially for users who play a few popular titles, the value proposition of going with ARC would've made a lot more sense.Low volume
Okay, I'll debate it. This forum is mostly enthusiasts, how many bought ARC? Of the ones that did, how many bought the A770? Did you ever put skin in the game and buy ARC? There is no card brand that was going to change the performance or driver maturation issues. Most only wanted the media capabilities found on the A310 and A380, as the gaming performance is too low for their needs.Ummm that's kinda debatable. If ASUS had released a few products, probably enough enthusiasts would've woken up from their Nvidia induced RTX slumber to check out what all the fuss was about and maybe said favorable things about ARC on online forums etc. thus starting a chain reaction of other people wondering if ARCs were usable for daily usage and biting on the low cost of the 16GB A770. Especially for users who play a few popular titles, the value proposition of going with ARC would've made a lot more sense.
I am SO serious about getting one!Did you ever put skin in the game and buy ARC?
Buy a can of spray paint, cheaper than an ARCAs for why white? I already have a black Leadtek 9600GT, a black Geforce GTX Titan X, a black 1080 Ti, a black Zotac 3090 and a black Aorus RX 6800. I need a change. Badly.
If they really get to 4070S perf, RDNA4 could end up just around 15% faster. If they price it right, they could easily be competitive with AMD.
Is not that only Intel didn't increased as expecting, is that nVIDIA is doing records that make the competition dissapear (just look at AMD!).Intel's share of the discrete GPU market drops to 0% as overall sales increase
Nvidia shows massive year-over-year growth.www.tomshardware.com
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Heh, of course some of the graphics division team has taken the buyout package. The voluntary separation/early retirement options were pretty much universal across Intel. And it's likely the case there will be some involuntary separation as well. That's just the company-wide reality at the moment.For all we know some of the graphics division team has taken the buyout package. More may be axed yet. The team may be working under the duress of rumors the entire division is on the chopping block.
A lot the current tech news sites like to click bait spin it as if Intel doesn't have any market for their GPU tech or they are out of the market completely.Intel's share of the discrete GPU market drops to 0% as overall sales increase
Nvidia shows massive year-over-year growth.www.tomshardware.com
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Is it really clickbait? The title explains it. That's why they put discrete there.A lot the current tech news sites like to click bait spin it as if Intel doesn't have any market for their GPU tech or they are out of the market completely.
The 0% is add in cards in pre-built systems.
Intel still sells their add in cards. They still have on CPU die GPUs.
A lot the current tech news sites like to click bait spin it as if Intel doesn't have any market for their GPU tech or they are out of the market completely.
The 0% is add in cards in pre-built systems.
Intel still sells their add in cards. They still have on CPU die GPUs.
Systems that ship with the discrete GPUs.The article title says discrete, it's clearly about the ARC dGPUs not the integrated ones.
Hopefully Battlemage can be more successful for them!
Systems that ship with the discrete GPUs.
"When drivers work" might be the byline for Lunar Lake iGPU!Like i said:
BMG=RDNA3/3.5 +-5% when drivers work.
The 32XE2 dgpu = between 7800xt/7900gre and between 4070 and 4070super
The 24XE2 dgpu ~7700xt
The 20XE2 dgpu between 6700xt and 7700xt
The die size of the high end G31 is supposed to be in the same 400mm2 range as A770. That is fine, as long as it can slot in higher than the A770 did. They'll have better margins that way, and the architecture has lot less glass jaw scenarios, plus if they fix performance without ReBar and lower idle power drastically, it'll sell much better.yeah but die size. unless intel made a huge jump in die efficency, their chip will be much larger and tiny n48 and then competing on price will start to hurt.
claims it is more efficient too but unsure how their frames per watt is calculated - that's is how do they get the iGPU power draw on a mobile?
That's the bit I find a bit strange.They also said while the original ARC iGPU underperformed in games compared to synthetics, the new ARC V graphics does well in games, just like Intel said.
That's the bit I find a bit strange.
Only looked at CB and PCGH (since those automatic recalculating charts are so handy), and in both the synthetics were way ahead of 890M but the gaming performance was mostly within 10%.
Didn't look that hard but had assumed that Intel graphics are still Intel graphics: far far better in synthetics than real life. Something that goes back generations at this stage.
Of course niche games may continue to be an issue but then most older or indie games generally don't need much performance.
EDIT: no maker that only in CN's case:
Some of their synthetics are 140%+ of Strix while gaming is closer to a tie.Intel Core Ultra 9 288V „Lunar Lake“ im Test: Leistung im Notebook-Testparcours
Intel Lunar Lake im Test: Leistung im Notebook-Testparcours / Anwendungs-Benchmarks / Gaming-Benchmarks / Leistung in AI-Anwendungenwww.computerbase.de