those are very different thingsStill down from Intel Broadwell's 128 MB of last level cache
they're good webservers tooThe selling point of X3D cpus is specifically video game performance.
Yep, Crystalwell, as an eDRAM on-package implementation (attached via an extra eDRAM controller accessible by both CPU and iGPU) featured latency and bandwidth between L3$'s and main memory's, not L3$-level latency and bandwidth.those are very different things
Games are latency not bandwidth bound. The 3d cache is helping with latency too.One of the theories as to why Zen5 struggles to outpace Zen4 is that there isn't enough memory bandwidth for it to stretch its legs. Maybe the 3d cache will let zen5 stretch its legs a bit and maybe the clock regression for the X3D chips won't be there. If they just fixed the clock regression it could come in at 15-20% faster than zen4X3d, if the x3d cache mitigates some of the memory bandwidth problems it could go even higher.
Who knows? I do think Zen5 is a good chip, it's just not worth upgrading if you have a zen4.
He’s upset that the 9800X3D is underperforming in gamesUhm, system performance, including for a range of game titles, did indeed improve (at least measurably) when Ryzen 5000 increased last-level cache per CCX from 16 to 32 MB, and Ryzen 5000X3D increased it once more to 96 MB. (Still down from Intel Broadwell's 128 MB of last level cache.) Ryzen 7000 and 9000 as well as 7000X3D and 9000X3D merely replicate this. Furthermore, Ryzen 7000(X3D) introduced DDR5 support, and Ryzen 9000(X3D) merely replicates this.
So did you expect some other drastic system level changes from Zen 5/ Zen 5X3D, and feel let down because there are none?
Or did you expect generational increases of CPU core computing speed to bring relevant improvements to games, and feel let down because that's not the case?
Which is why you do with with a specific vendor, small scale but outsized messaging.Forcing bundles into the channel is no bueno.
Other vendors will riot and you know it.small scale but outsized messaging.
Fine, spread little kickbacks across every major retailer.Other vendors will riot and you know it.
That source is so questionable I would not believe this for 1 second.X3D news for you all to feast on:
The gaming performance differential compared to the 9800X3D will be interesting. Though I’m not sure how much of an uplift there will be considering most games don’t use more than eight cores.AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D and 9900X3D to Feature 3D V-cache on Both CCD Chiplets
Earlier this week, we got rumors that AMD is rushing in the Ryzen 7 9800X3D 8-core/16-thread "Zen 5" processor with 3D V-cache for a late-October debut. The 9800X3D succeeds the popular 7800X3D, and AMD probably hopes it will have a competitive gaming processor in time for Intel's Core Ultra...www.techpowerup.com
There's actually at least 3 hopes people have mentioned:The ONLY real hope that the 9xxx series has from the X3d parts is that their performance is being held back a lot by the bandwidth limits between the CCD and the IOD. If that's the case, then the X3d parts could see notably better uplifts in SOME games. Unless AMD has some real potent "secret sauce " brewed up for the x3d parts, I don't see it.
There are at least for 1080P upwards, W1zzard just prefers to put them on a separate page:Shame there are no lows...
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DDR5 Memory Performance Scaling with AMD Zen 5
Our AMD Zen 5 Memory Scaling Review examines six different DDR5 memory speeds, including DDR5-8000, DDR5-6400 1:1, DDR5-6400 CL28 and others. We looked into how these speeds impact performance in gaming at four resolutions and a wide range of application workloads.www.techpowerup.com
X3D news for you all to feast on:
The gaming performance differential compared to the 9800X3D will be interesting. Though I’m not sure how much of an uplift there will be considering most games don’t use more than eight cores.AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D and 9900X3D to Feature 3D V-cache on Both CCD Chiplets
Earlier this week, we got rumors that AMD is rushing in the Ryzen 7 9800X3D 8-core/16-thread "Zen 5" processor with 3D V-cache for a late-October debut. The 9800X3D succeeds the popular 7800X3D, and AMD probably hopes it will have a competitive gaming processor in time for Intel's Core Ultra...www.techpowerup.com
That source is so questionable I would not believe this for 1 second.
It says "64MB + 128MB Vcache" for the 9950X + 9900X
then it says "32MB + 96MB VCache" for the 9800X
They can't even get the fine details correct.
X3D news for you all to feast on:
The gaming performance differential compared to the 9800X3D will be interesting. Though I’m not sure how much of an uplift there will be considering most games don’t use more than eight cores.AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D and 9900X3D to Feature 3D V-cache on Both CCD Chiplets
Earlier this week, we got rumors that AMD is rushing in the Ryzen 7 9800X3D 8-core/16-thread "Zen 5" processor with 3D V-cache for a late-October debut. The 9800X3D succeeds the popular 7800X3D, and AMD probably hopes it will have a competitive gaming processor in time for Intel's Core Ultra...www.techpowerup.com
That source is so questionable I would not believe this for 1 second.
It says "64MB + 128MB Vcache" for the 9950X + 9900X
then it says "32MB + 96MB VCache" for the 9800X
They can't even get the fine details correct.
There is this though:
Referenced by HXL.
You got me there. Maybe they indeed will for a halo product.is 96mb per CCD really a hard limit? why would it be?
what is the limiter and why couldn't they change it for a new SKU?
There are certainly several limits which each are more or less costly to bump up (but which may or may not have been reached by the 96 MB 16-way associative config yet). For example, my understanding is that L3$ tags need to be tracked in the IOD, which imposes whatever limit of cache line count they thought of back in the day when they designed this IOD. (Somebody correct me if I got this wrong.)is 96mb per CCD really a hard limit? why would it be?
what is the limiter and why couldn't they change it for a new SKU?
It's better in everything than Phoenix(1T,nT,iGPU, battery life), yet It's a flop? Ridiculous.Strix Point is a flop only worth upgrade from 4800/5800h, not from phoenix
It's better in everything than Phoenix(1T,nT,iGPU, battery life), yet It's a flop? Ridiculous.
Just because you believed the unreasonable IPC gain rumors doesn't mean It's a Flop.