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MoragaBlue · Sep 26, 2024

RE: Scalper Issue

I would've gladly paid the $1,000 for the 30th Anniversary unit, even considerably more to have one. I would have then purchased a bunch of games PS currently has on sale, all the DS games, Bloodborne, Demon Souls, F1 24, Demon's Souls, and probably a few others.

However, because of scalpers, I can't get my hands on the unit. So, while this plays out, since I won't do business with scalpers, I'll just have to buy all of those games, except for Demon's Souls & Bloodborne, on Steam, who just happens to have them all on sale too. Once I start with DS1, I'll forget all about Sony until the excitement and anticipation starts to brew for the PS6.

Not that what I do matters a whit to Sony, but that's how scalpers hurt the Sony ecosystem, and why they may care. Not sure if they do, but if I were them, I would.

purbeast0 · Sep 27, 2024

PS5 Pro is still available from Sony Direct.

There is zero demand for that thing. It's going to flop.

MoragaBlue · Sep 27, 2024

Some afterthoughts.

I don't think I have ever in my life made such an effort to buy a product, as I have with the 30th Anniversary PS5 Pro. I stayed up to see if it was available at the stroke of midnight. I was up at 5 a.m. to make preparations. Log in on multiple devices and get in queues on all of them. All to no avail, and not sure if I could have done anything more, short of waking up my wife at this ungodly hour to have her do the same on her phone & laptop. At least, the system seemed fair, and I assume it was random lottery process.

While I will still try to purchase one of these 12,300 30th EDs on the 10th, I've noticed the vanilla PS5 Pros are still in stock. Is it because Sony over produced? Just soft demand? Or, combination of both? At this point, anyone who wants one could easily get one. Anyway, Discover's next 5% cashback is Amazon, and on the 10th, there's the 5% discount. Still, not enough to tempt me, and I'd at least need $100 shaved off of their $699 asking price.

MoragaBlue · Sep 27, 2024

purbeast0 said:
PS5 Pro is still available from Sony Direct.

There is zero demand for that thing. It's going to flop.

During my efforts to buy the 30th adventures yesterday, I had noticed the UK sold out early on the regular PS5 Pro. However, now they're all back in stock. So, in my view, it appears Sony had tried to create some artificial scarcity to drive demand, or FOMO, here in the US markets. Apparently, it didn't work, and I don't think many bought up the regular Pros here.

purbeast0 · Sep 27, 2024

MoragaBlue said:
While I will still try to purchase one of these 12,300 30th EDs on the 10th, I've noticed the vanilla PS5 Pros are still in stock. Is it because Sony over produced? Just soft demand? Or, combination of both?

My non professional opinion is that most of it has to do with the price.

MoragaBlue · Sep 27, 2024

purbeast0 said:
My non professional opinion is that most of it has to do with the price.

While only speaking for myself, price is generally the primary driver for my purchase decisions, unless there's a special situation, e.g., 30th Ann PS5 Pro. IMHO and non professional opinion, the risk for Sony pricing it so high is the anti-FOMO syndrome, "oh, I'll just wait to buy at a lower price." If this gains traction, the downtrend almost becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy because most will forgo purchases until a lower price at some point in the future.

Still early days, but it'll be interesting to see how this all plays out.

purbeast0 · Sep 27, 2024

MoragaBlue said:
While only speaking for myself, price is generally the primary driver for my purchase decisions, unless there's a special situation, e.g., 30th Ann PS5 Pro. IMHO and non professional opinion, the risk for Sony pricing it so high is the anti-FOMO syndrome, "oh, I'll just wait to buy at a lower price." If this gains traction, the downtrend almost becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy because most will forgo purchases until a lower price at some point in the future.

Still early days, but it'll be interesting to see how this all plays out.

I think it is a mixture of price AND it also not being much better.

I watched the digital foundry special that shows the comparisons between many games and they go into depth, and like to even see the differences, you have to have the 2 versions side by side, blown up by 2-4x, and in slow motion. Or there are other things that you don't even notice unless someone points it out to you, like the cars reflecting off of eachother in Gran Turismo.

These minimal "gains" just are not worth the $300 difference to most people I don't think, especially when the PS5 base price is not cheap. The PS4 Pro also helped with PSVR TREMENDOUSLY. There is nothing like that with the PS5 Pro. Who knows, without the PS4 Pro, there may not have even been a PSVR2 (not that it's doing well or anything lol).

I think people also expected a price structure/difference similar to the PS4 and the PS4 Pro.

PS4 launched at $400. PS4 Pro launched at $400. By the time PS4 pro launched the PS4 slim was $300.

PS5 launched at $500. PS5 Pro launched at $800 (if you want the same package as the $500 PS5 launch version). PS5 slim is $530 right now, if you want same package as launch version.

Their pricing structure just doesn't make much sense from a consumer point of view.

sze5003 · Sep 27, 2024

A couple of factors, price being one of them, a gen full of remasters with not many new fresh titles to really make use of the full potential, and also only GPU upgrade but no CPU upgrade leaving a bottleneck.

I upgraded because generally I like getting the newest tech and I don't have kids yet to worry about spending on other things.

I'll be able to sell my PS5 with a couple of games to offset the cost since regular PS5 prices are likely not going to drop.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PS5/comments/1fq8jo5/every_ps5_pro_enhanced_game_confirmed

^^ List of all the titles so far getting "upgrades" for the pro.

RPD · Sep 27, 2024

purbeast0 said:
I think it is a mixture of price AND it also not being much better.

I watched the digital foundry special that shows the comparisons between many games and they go into depth, and like to even see the differences, you have to have the 2 versions side by side, blown up by 2-4x, and in slow motion. Or there are other things that you don't even notice unless someone points it out to you, like the cars reflecting off of eachother in Gran Turismo.

These minimal "gains" just are not worth the $300 difference to most people I don't think, especially when the PS5 base price is not cheap. The PS4 Pro also helped with PSVR TREMENDOUSLY. There is nothing like that with the PS5 Pro. Who knows, without the PS4 Pro, there may not have even been a PSVR2 (not that it's doing well or anything lol).

I think people also expected a price structure/difference similar to the PS4 and the PS4 Pro.

PS4 launched at $400. PS4 Pro launched at $400. By the time PS4 pro launched the PS4 slim was $300.

PS5 launched at $500. PS5 Pro launched at $800 (if you want the same package as the $500 PS5 launch version). PS5 slim is $530 right now, if you want same package as launch version.

Their pricing structure just doesn't make much sense from a consumer point of view.

Pretty much how I feel. I wanted a reason to get a Pro to hand down my PS5 to my son, and this "launch" is pathetic.

MoragaBlue · Sep 27, 2024

In its current form, would you guys buy it at, say, $599? I'm of the opinion that had Concord succeeded as they were fully convinced it would have, the Pro would be priced at around $599. They'd assume their other live service games--Fairgames & Marthon--would be additional drivers for gamers to adopt the Pro.

When they realized the Concord misfire, they thought, "ah, we need to make up for the $400 million loss, and add $100 to the console." I'm assuming this is what happened, and the coined "Concord Tax" is an apt description of Sony's pricing strategy moving forward.

Of course, we as gamers don't have to pay the tax. I'm sure as heck not going to.

RPD · Sep 27, 2024

MoragaBlue said:
In its current form, would you guys buy it at, say, $599? I'm of the opinion that had Concord succeeded as they were fully convinced it would have, the Pro would be priced at around $599. They'd assume their other live service games--Fairgames & Marthon--would be additional drivers for gamers to adopt the Pro.

When they realized the Concord misfire, they thought, "ah, we need to make up for the $400 million loss, and add $100 to the console." I'm assuming this is what happened, and the coined "Concord Tax" is an apt description of Sony's pricing strategy moving forward.

Of course, we as gamers don't have to pay the tax. I'm sure as heck not going to.

Given the improvement, personally I would have taken a $150 price bump as a max, but that is really pushing it since it still needs an optical drive.

purbeast0 · Sep 27, 2024

MoragaBlue said:
In its current form, would you guys buy it at, say, $599? I'm of the opinion that had Concord succeeded as they were fully convinced it would have, the Pro would be priced at around $599. They'd assume their other live service games--Fairgames & Marthon--would be additional drivers for gamers to adopt the Pro.

When they realized the Concord misfire, they thought, "ah, we need to make up for the $400 million loss, and add $100 to the console." I'm assuming this is what happened, and the coined "Concord Tax" is an apt description of Sony's pricing strategy moving forward.

Of course, we as gamers don't have to pay the tax. I'm sure as heck not going to.

$599 with a disc drive is something I personally would say is reasonable. I don't think I'd jump to get one at that price but depending on trade in specials for PS5's, it could be something I would consider if it was like $150-$200 or so out of pocket.

jpiniero · Sep 27, 2024

purbeast0 said:
$599 with a disc drive is something I personally would say is reasonable.

Don't think that would be realistic given that Sony was never going to sell the Pro at a loss.

If Sony really messed up their sales projections, I suppose you could see a 1 TB model being made for $649. I think that's the best you will see though.

sze5003 · Sep 27, 2024

Seems like for the future they are pushing for digital only seeing how they want to sell the drive separately. I could also see the same happening for the PS6 when that is out.

I also don't think they are making that much more money on people buying disc drives if they aren't buying the Pro in the first place.

Just overall an odd path to go down, maybe they are just expiramenting to see what works or doesn't.

Will be the last console for me at that point if they ever go digital only. Steam let's you share your account with 5 other people if you wanted to game share. No clue if that's a thing at all with digital console version of games, probably not.

purbeast0 · Sep 27, 2024

jpiniero said:
Don't think that would be realistic given that Sony was never going to sell the Pro at a loss.

If Sony really messed up their sales projections, I suppose you could see a 1 TB model being made for $649. I think that's the best you will see though.

I'm not disagreeing they would never have done that, but they may end up having to do that if they want to move them. Clearly there is no demand for this thing at $700 when there is literally only 1 place on the planet you can preorder them, and they aren't even sold out over a day into being available for preorder.

Still, I was just talking about what it would have taken me to have any interest in one, and they weren't even in the same realm.

jpiniero · Sep 27, 2024

purbeast0 said:
I'm not disagreeing they would never have done that, but they may end up having to do that if they want to move them.

Sony's expectations of sales almost have to be not that high.

sze5003 said:
Will be the last console for me at that point if they ever go digital only. Steam let's you share your account with 5 other people if you wanted to game share. No clue if that's a thing at all with digital console version of games, probably not.

There is some amount of game sharing for digital games. But presumably Sony allows a lot less abusing it than Steam's family sharing does. The secondary consoles also have to be online at all times to be able to play; the primary console does not.

MoragaBlue · Sep 27, 2024

jpiniero said:
Sony's expectations of sales almost have to be not that high.

If it doesn't sell, at some point the price comes down. Now, whether Sony or the vendor takes the loss matters little to me, but I'll be interested certainly at $599.

jpiniero · Sep 27, 2024

MoragaBlue said:
If it doesn't sell, at some point the price comes down.

I suspect this early preorder window was to gauge demand and adjust production levels as needed. They won't need to reduce prices since they will just cut production.

MoragaBlue · Sep 28, 2024

jpiniero said:
They won't need to reduce prices since they will just cut production.

Well, if that's indeed the case, I suppose I'm destined to miss the PS5 series. And, that's ok.

As such, I've picked up basically all the Souls-like titles for sale on Steam. Since, it appears you guys have played every one of these games, any suggestions on which one to start with? Dark Souls 1, 2 or 3? Nioh 2? Remnant 2? Sifu?

SteveGrabowski · Sep 28, 2024

MoragaBlue said:
Well, if that's indeed the case, I suppose I'm destined to miss the PS5 series. And, that's ok.

As such, I've picked up basically all the Souls-like titles for sale on Steam. Since, it appears you guys have played every one of these games, any suggestions on which one to start with? Dark Souls 1, 2 or 3? Nioh 2? Remnant 2? Sifu?

Between those I'd play Dark Souls 1 if you want something longer or Sifu if you want a shorter game, though I haven't played Nioh 2 nor Remnant 2. Souls games you can play as a tank hiding behind a shield with heavy armor and heavy weapons that hit hard but I definitely play a more Bloodborne style agility build wearing robes instead of plate armor and such. Of the games on the list I have played Dark Souls 3 is probably the best but don't want to start with that one IMO and overshadow the awesome DS1.

MoragaBlue · Sep 28, 2024

SteveGrabowski said:
Souls games you can play as a tank hiding behind a shield with heavy armor and heavy weapons that hit hard but I definitely play a more Bloodborne style agility build wearing robes instead of plate armor and such.

I suppose, unless or until Bloodborne gets an adequate PC port, I'll just have to accept not be able to play it. In ER, my favorite build is a DEX one and the one I've always enjoyed the most.

It's going to be fun playing all these games that I've missed during my gaming sabbatical. Perhaps, they'll tie me over until the PS6 is ready to launch at $800!

SteveGrabowski · Sep 30, 2024

Spawn Wave: I do wonder if they [Guerrilla] are overestimating the Horizon franchise right now and its pull, because...Zero Dawn, they showed-we've seen the leaked documents, like it sold well but they were also at one point selling it at 10 bucks, they were giving it away at one point...it was very easy to get the game basically. Forbidden West didn't seem like it had the sales velocity that Zero Dawn did, and now I'm also wondering about...there's going to be one more game their trilogy for their mainline thing. The online aspect you're mentioning...I don't really know how many people are like really calling for that right now. I feel like it would've better off as a mode, like Ghost of Tsushima Legends, they had that as a separate mode for it and it was a fun little multiplayer thing. I think that might've worked better for it, but we haven't seen it yet, I'm just curious how many people are really jumping up and down for it.

Jason Schreier: And their plan...I mean, Horizon Online is their next product, not the third single-player game, looks like. So, that one may be waaays off.

SpawnWave: Uuh, ok...

Jason Schreier: Yeah, I mean like, Sony-PlayStation's like live service initiative was no joke, everybody was like...it's live service games all around. Horizon is one of the few ones that hasn't been canceled or hasn't come out and flopped the way Concord did and so...yeah, a lot of questions. A lot of people are working on that.

jpiniero · Sep 30, 2024

Obvious that Sony is desperate for a Fortnite level GAAS hit.

SteveGrabowski · Sep 30, 2024

jpiniero said:
Obvious that Sony is desperate for a Fortnite level GAAS hit.

Also obvious that this is the last gen I'll ever buy a Playstation.

jpiniero · Oct 1, 2024

SteveGrabowski said:
Also obvious that this is the last gen I'll ever buy a Playstation.

I have a feeling that this generation is going to last awhile, long after Sony releases the PS6.

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