Is there animosity against Elderly Asians from some in the black community?

positivedoppler said:

Video shows homeless Seattle man beat woman with bat in random attack

Wantez Jamel Tulloss, who lives in transitional housing, was charged Friday in the ferocious attack that was caught on surveillance footage.

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Seattle is already a liberal dump. He goes and eats a pizza after taking a hard swing at the woman. Hope he rotts in nail for attempted murderer

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A true conservative. Immediately is more concerned with political team. Doesn't give a shit about the actual victim, seems more concerned about food. Too goddamn stupid or too chickenshit to use the word hell. Can't spell a 3 letter word (rot).

positivedoppler said:

Video shows homeless Seattle man beat woman with bat in random attack

Wantez Jamel Tulloss, who lives in transitional housing, was charged Friday in the ferocious attack that was caught on surveillance footage.

nypost.com

Seattle is already a liberal dump. He goes and eats a pizza after taking a hard swing at the woman. Hope he rotts in nail for attempted murderer

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Da comrade or are you just poorly educated?

positivedoppler said:

I won't bother responding individually to any of the liberal trolls here since they do a pretty good job of exposing themselves. Shallow personal attacks, claiming others need to be educated (overcompensating for their own lack of intelligence), and avoiding facts and any a civil discussion while behaving like teenage wanna be high school gangbangers. Glad I wise up 10 years ago and left the left.

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New shift? Grammar and spelling is improved.

railer said:

I'd say you are not really taking responsibility for what you said. But, I suppose a snarky acknowledgement (complete with name calling, of course!) is the best we should hope for, considering the forum we're on. And I actually consider you one of the smarter posters here. We all have bad days.

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Two words for you : Bell curve.

MichaelMay said:

As a father and grandfather of girls... I'm worried too. It's what we do, we worry and we try to fix everything for them.

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So, tried the "tile" back when it was crowfunded .. the idea was great but not enough critical mass to actually work.

Now Apple has these Airtags out.. And you know that every other person has an iphone, so I have hopes these will work out better.

Ill be giving them a run shortly as one of my girls is heading out of country (with her full acceptance of course). Ill only peek if she's ignoring my calls for two hours. (of course there is the mandatory gps in her luggage)

positivedoppler said:

Video shows homeless Seattle man beat woman with bat in random attack

Wantez Jamel Tulloss, who lives in transitional housing, was charged Friday in the ferocious attack that was caught on surveillance footage.

nypost.com

Seattle is already a liberal dump. He goes and eats a pizza after taking a hard swing at the woman. Hope he rotts in nail for attempted murderer

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Shame the guy only gets 12 years.

Would rather see the guy get life for that. Mental defect insanity just to attack a random person like that.

On the upside it sounds like the victum will recover from it in some way, but I wonder what sort of long term trauma she is going to deal with. That looks like permanent damage to me.

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as for the polical rant, you get crazy people everywhere, and odds are that fucked up criminal was shipped to Seattle from some failed red state. Odds are from whatever town you live in @positivedoppler . You act smug that you don't have homeless people, but have you ever asked yourself why? Red states tend to bus their homeless to blue states all the time. That is is because Republicans and everyone who votes for republicans are degenerate scum who don't take care of the problems in their communities, they just dump them onto people who do.

Because that is who republicans are, irresponsible shits who dump all their problems on people who do care and do solve problems.

positivedoppler said:

Update, both my elderly Asian parents were assult by a black woman today. This is now personal for me

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Sure comrade.

positivedoppler said:

Update, both my elderly Asian parents were assult by a black woman today. This is now personal for me

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You should totally target every black person about this! Because more racism is always the solution to a problem! 🙄

positivedoppler said:

Update, both my elderly Asian parents were assult by a black woman today. This is now personal for me

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Do you want to complain about racism toward Asian people, do you want to prove that it exists, do you want payback for the hatred that has come your way in life, or do you want something more positive like real understanding that offers transcendence of suffering. If the latter I will restate what I said in post 152 hopefully more clearly:

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What is racism? Is it not a sense of entitlement that one has a right to express violence against other people because they dare to look down on you because of your race, that they make you the object of scorn, worthy of payback with violence. But where did this sense of entitlement come from, why this focus on the superiority and inferiority based on race? Can there be racism without the notion of differences between people, that adherent to the notion of difference there is also the belief that for any one difference there is a superior and inferior version of it? Doesn't racism exist because of emotional need, a need for a personal sense of entitlement, a need to express even violently that one's self is superior to other people and race is just on of a million other differences we focus on to provide that superior feeling? And isn't the rage against racists the sense that their need to feel superior to others is hurtful and not justified?

You are angry that your parents were attacked and you see it as racially connected but why? Isn't it just one difference, being Asian that you are focusing on? You realize, I hope that Asians also discriminate based on which sub-division of Asia you are from. How much more racist could the Japanese have been in WW2? Which people in Asia are the best looking and blah blah blah.

If we see race an just one of a million of other differences people base their ego identity on we see that the problem isn't racism but the need to feel that one's own self identity is superior to the self identity of others. It is all about who is worth being put down. But where did this need to feel superior come from? How did differences that are utterly meaningless in terms of superior inferior come to be so very very important? Does it not have to be the result of defending oneself against the charge of deserving to victimized as inferior, as being worthy of being stomped on by so called superior people.

But where does this scale of important values exist outside of your own mind? Pay special attention to this. How can you feel inferior or superior to anyone else if you did not hold those standards in your head? Everyone who feels they are a victim of racism does so by reference to the notions of race they carry in their own heads. Every victim of racism is a victim of racism because he or she carries that condemnation as if it were real in their heads. How the fuck did that happen? How did you allow yourself to imbibe the notion of racial inferiority or any other notion of yourself as being judged as inferior? Is it not a result of exposure to the feeling of what being judged as feeling inferior feels like.

In today's profoundly sick world does anybody grow up with the concepts of inferior superior being hammered into them from childhood. Isn't the fear of being judged by others why Asian children are driven to perform, to excel and especially via education and then prestigious, that is to say well paying jobs? And what person who excels at anything not the target of put downs from the envy and greed, the inner feeling they themselves do not measure up?

So, I believe that racism exists because the concept of a belief that superior inferior exists, that we live in a world of dualism created by thought which is fear, fear of not measuring up, that we are in fact worthless until we achieve whatever stupid or sensible ideals the adults around us as children demanded as expectations we conform to or be judged by them as inferior. Who has not grown up with the expectations that we must live up to the ideals of our parents or be scolded and humiliated by them? we were actually taught to hate themselves, judge ourselves as worthless if we didn't toe the line. And as children we couldn't have survived those corrective procedures of punishment for deviancy had we not suppressed that pain and become conformistic people trained to see as sacred the ego we as adults we were forced to pretend to be. We became the victims of Stockholm Syndrome. upholders of the authoritarian supremacist of a million different faces, pretenders to really being worth something based on some external identification held sacred by our particular tribe who say that makes us to actually to be worth something. And if you poke them with the truth they will unleash their unfathomable rage and being put down and made to feel guilty of being their real selves.

In this way we live in a world of people who suffer from hidden inferiority who act out exactly how they really feel, going around pretending to be superior to everybody different in that whatever meaningless accidental thing they happened to grow up programmed to believe is the very best. Thus all self hating people are the best race, the best sex, belong to the best social groups, root for the best teams, and on and on endlessly, and they all do this in their ugly hateful state of self hating delusional state of sleep.

The more you hate yourself and were made to feel that self hating shame for being whatever race you happen to be, the more racist you will be, and the more you will want to harm other races or just any handy target to get even for your own pain and shame.

What race has had it worse in America? By the way I believe there is only the one human race that has some genetic variability, a tiny amount based on historic population localization by geography, so the idea of race does not really exist for me although I am not blind. I think Black people have been most traumatized, will be the most racially sensitive, and also the most fucked up by racism. They will also suffer from the most pent up violence and willingness to try to get even. They, like whites before them, will be looking to put some other race beneath them. It is the nature of self haters to want others to feel their own pain. If they can inflict it on you, you will go down the same path.

My point then is that racism destroys the self respect that is the birth right of every person, and those most damaged are the most likely to damage others out of the rage created by self hate.

So we live in a world populated with every level of bigotry, from those with racial killing rage, to those who attribute all their personal grievances to other races to racism deniers. Do something about your own self hate and racism for you will cease to exist. Don’t waste your time in the race game. We all suffer from our own repressed feelings and from those of others. To focus there is to fan the flames.

There is only one race and we are all the same, the image of God, and the monsters of our programming. To acquire conscious awareness to to become conscious of our own suffering. Out of grief for the self comes compassion for the suffering experienced by all who are asleep, unaware of the potential true love that is hidden within them.

I am so sorry for what happened to your parents. It didn't happen because they are Asian but because so many people are deeply sick and will not take ownership of their own pain.

WelshBloke said:

You should totally target every black person about this! Because more racism is always the solution to a problem! 🙄

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I believe his beef is that Blacks in America are being protected from the contempt we liberals have for racism by giving them a pass for their own racism where it seems to manifest owing to the discrimination they have faced and thus are not being held equally accountable compared to the contempt we show for White racists. Why can't we just admit that racism makes people feel worthless and feeling worthless when it becomes ingraned in the heart leads to horrible behavior as a way to get even for being so hurt.

Black people need to see how they are as affected by self hate as anybody else and start seeking how to heal from being made to internalize inferiority. Everyone is suffering from the same disease. The real difference in my opinion is the level to which one is conscious of it.

Moonbeam said:

I believe his beef is that Blacks in America are being protected from the contempt we liberals have for racism by giving them a pass for their own racism where it seems to manifest owing to the discrimination they have faced and thus are not being held equally accountable compared to the contempt we show for White racists. Why can't we just admit that racism makes people feel worthless and feeling worthless when it becomes ingraned in the heart leads to horrible behavior as a way to get even for being so hurt.

Black people need to see how they are as affected by self hate as anybody else and start seeking how to heal from being made to internalize inferiority. Everyone is suffering from the same disease. The real difference in my opinion is the level to which one is conscious of it.

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How about we don't start lumping all "Black people" in together as if they all believe the same thing, live the same life and are somehow different from non black people?

WelshBloke said:

How about we don't start lumping all "Black people" in together as if they all believe the same thing, live the same life and are somehow different from non black people?

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I am not talking about Black people. I am talking about people who have experienced racial prejudice because they are black. There is a tendency to believe stereotypes, both for those doing the stereotyping and those stereotyped. If blue eyes were seen as a sign of demonic possession a lot of blue eyed people would be wearing brown contact lenses. Prejudice against people who identify as black is just as stupid as this. People of color can escape inner self hate but they can't escape the stereotyping of idiots. But it should be each person's duty not to feed stereotyping by the predicted stereotype behavior. Black racist behavior and the acting out of what others deem as inferior behavior only fucks other people of color who are despite all the hatred directed at them are acting with exemplary behavior.

What I am suggesting is a psychological truth and the inevitable statistical data that will fall out of it. The greater the traumatic experiences of putdowns and guilt tripping we received as children the more will will act as if we are actually that worthless. It's a law. All you have to do is ask yourself what so called race in America has experiences the most violent hatred. Racism fucks people up and the more fucked up you are the more you will act as if you were fucked up. I say this is seeing reality for what it is, not racism against anybody.

I am suggesting our Asian poster here not to go down the victim path. I was saved by Zen. I owe Eastern Wisdom my life. A person that I absolutely adored for the power of the life force within him was a Black man. Lost and alone deep in the wilderness in Yosemite sleeping under a dead tree, the only dry ground to be found, in a ferocious wind storm, bear tracks in the mud all around, I had a nightmare in which he appeared and touched me. My worry all vanished as the love I felt in his touch spread within me. In the morning I triangulated my position with compass and map using two mountains off in the distance as landmarks and looking where the trail should be could see it as a cut in the brush a coupe of hundred yards away.

I've largely stayed away from this discussion, but I'll just throw in my two cents.

Historically, those of East Asian descent have been discriminated against in the US. There has been laws passed by the US Congress as well as state and local laws that have at various times discriminated against those of East Asian descent at one time or another.

As a person of East Asian descent, the very fact that we are lumped together as a whole, while other nationalities like Germans, Irish, French, etc. are separate groups is a testament to how little political voice we have. The need for us to band together and be grouped as "Asians" as a whole was born from that very need to have a stronger voice.

With that said, the actual racism I have received from an actual black person has been extremely rare. I have been called "ching chong" and worse, from both black and white people, but that was more when I was younger. I don't think I have had that called to me more than 3 or 4 times in the last three decades.

The worst case in the last decade was when my father was rear ended by a black lady. I was not in the car, but was nearby so dropped by to help my father to help him call the insurance and get the other driver's info. The black lady was a very nice lady, and we were OK waiting for police and everything. It was more a young black man who walked by, saw an accident and automatically assumed the worse and was outright racist towards my father and I. This young black man hurled racial slurs at us for no reason. We moved away to avoid this deranged person, because he was obviously a racist douchebag. So yes, black people can be racist.

I'd like to point out how extremely rare I've had bad encounters with both white people and black people. I've had great conversations with black people who I didn't even know, and were only passing chance encounters. I firmly believe that the majority of both black and white people, are not racist. Now, there are concentrations of racists attitudes such as for white people in the deep south such as Idaho and Mississippi. However, if you go to any big town, or major city, I firmly believe the majority of people are not racist. But you can say the same thing for certain pockets of Asian people living within the US.


I'd like to point out an incidence decades ago at a major airport that my mother encountered. Speaking very little English, and certainly not as much as she does now, she was having trouble trying to find the correct terminal for her flight to visit her parents. My grandparents live in Europe. A kind black gentleman saw that she was looking lost, and offered to help her to get to her terminal for her flight. My mother said that without this kind gentleman's help, she may have been late for her flight. My mother still speaks positively of this incidence, decades later.

So if the question is, do I believe there are racist black people. Yes. I do believe that. But do I believe that it is systemic, or that all black people are racist towards Asians, no I do not believe that.

positivedoppler said:

Update, both my elderly Asian parents were assult by a black woman today. This is now personal for me

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I'm sorry to hear about your parents, and also feel like I should point out that there are only a couple of people in P&N that give a shit. This place has a singular focus and accepted dogma, you're on the wrong side of that.

Greenman said:

I'm sorry to hear about your parents, and also feel like I should point out that there are only a couple of people in P&N that give a shit. This place has a singular focus and accepted dogma, you're on the wrong side of that.

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Do you really think anyone here wants his parents attacked?

Generally the focus and dogma of P&N is bigotry and discrimination is bad and should not be tolerated and it isn’t. Welshbloke already nailed it their responses.

Also for the record the OP has not claimed or presented any evidence that the alleged attack on their parents was motivated by racism. Frankly they haven’t even presented evidence of an attack just made a claim.

But then we truly can’t know anything until we have had a full trial right?

Tensions and conflict between different less-powerful groups have always existed. (East) Asian and black people, Muslim Asians and Hindu Asians, Muslim Africans and Christian Africans, Black people and Jewish people. Seems like it's usually ultimately driven by economics - different groups find themselves with conflicting economic self-interests. Sometimes it's a result of quite deliberate policies - divide-and-rule tactics by whilte/colonial ruling class.

I still remember an incident when i was a child on a bus, and the African woman passenger got into a huge row with the Afro-Carribbean woman bus conductor over having the right change. They both ended up sounding like members of the National Front (as was then, now it would be the BNP). The African woman started shouting about how Caribbean people didn't raise their children properly, and were all criminals, the Caribbean conductor started shouting that the African woman should 'go back to Africa' and making references to 'swinging through the trees'.

I mean, if every disadvantaged group automatically found common-cause and solidarity with every other such group, all injustices and imbalances of power would have been overturned centuries ago.

brycejones said:

Also for the record the OP has not claimed or presented any evidence

But then we truly can’t know anything until we have had a full trial right?

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I had quite a few asshats here including YOU ask me for evidence when my wife was getting hassled over shopping carts at a home depot by migrants.. but I instead helped her and didn't take my phone out.

So here's a simple question.. if your loved ones are getting assaulted.. you're going to ignore them getting assaulted and record on your phone because getting evidence for this forum is more important right?



Maybe we're all Trumpers in disguise here.. we laugh at the victims and cheer on the bully and defend his rights.

Maybe the OP should should just get an AK-47 and take out as many offenders as possible. Hell if he only does 1-2 at a time.. he won't even be on the police radar as it isn't a mass shooting.. just some random serial killer!

pmv said:

Tensions and conflict between different less-powerful groups have always existed. (East) Asian and black people, Muslim Asians and Hindu Asians, Muslim Africans and Christian Africans, Black people and Jewish people. Seems like it's usually ultimately driven by economics - different groups find themselves with conflicting economic self-interests. Sometimes it's a result of quite deliberate policies - divide-and-rule tactics by whilte/colonial ruling class.

I still remember an incident when i was a child on a bus, and the African woman passenger got into a huge row with the Afro-Carribbean woman bus conductor over having the right change. They both ended up sounding like members of the National Front (as was then, now it would be the BNP). The African woman started shouting about how Caribbean people didn't raise their children properly, and were all criminals, the Caribbean conductor started shouting that the African woman should 'go back to Africa' and making references to 'swinging through the trees'.

I mean, if every disadvantaged group automatically found common-cause and solidarity with every other such group, all injustices and imbalances of power would have been overturned centuries ago.

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I like the way that Brits look at things through the lens of the class war and Americans look at things through the lens of racial issues!

WelshBloke said:

I like the way that Brits look at things through the lens of the class war and Americans look at things through the lens of racial issues!

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Things changed after the escalator incident in 2015 and we haven't put the genie back in the bottle yet!

Indus said:

Things changed after the escalator incident in 2015 and we haven't put the genie back in the bottle yet!

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I'm not saying that either viewpoint is the correct one! I mean I believe in the class war view but I'm aware that I'm a product of my culture.

Indus said:

I had quite a few asshats here including YOU ask me for evidence when my wife was getting hassled over shopping carts at a home depot by migrants.. but I instead helped her and didn't take my phone out.

So here's a simple question.. if your loved ones are getting assaulted.. you're going to ignore them getting assaulted and record on your phone because getting evidence for this forum is more important right?



Maybe we're all Trumpers in disguise here.. we laugh at the victims and cheer on the bully and defend his rights.

Maybe the OP should should just get an AK-47 and take out as many offenders as possible. Hell if he only does 1-2 at a time.. he won't even be on the police radar as it isn't a mass shooting.. just some random serial killer!

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I still think you are full of shit over the shopping cart mafia. You have refused to have any kind of meaningful discussion about your claims. Personally I think you took something very minor and in the way of so many of your posts blew it way up in your mind until it was a life and death struggle against evil to justify your own dislike of immigrants. Of course you have presented zero evidence of anyone being an immigrant to begin with so there is that as well.

Also the OP didn’t say anything about being there when the incident happened.

Also all these claims of assault and no one calls the police? Bullshit. In your case no store manager is going stand by while their customers are harassed over shopping carts. Like I said you are full of shit.

Greenman said:

I'm sorry to hear about your parents, and also feel like I should point out that there are only a couple of people in P&N that give a shit. This place has a singular focus and accepted dogma, you're on the wrong side of that.

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I disagree. I'd wager 100% of people on these forums, or damn near close to it, does not want to see anyone the victim of violence or racial attacks. So I believe your statement is false.

But there's a difference between believing all violent attacks are due to racism, and wanting any violence to happen. Most here are not yet convinced the OP's incidence was due to racism, and not just your random douche-bag thief trying to steal something of value to sell.

Again, no one is condoning such actions, they're just not sure it was racially motivated. There's a huge difference.