House Passes 1/6 Commission

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Pens1566

Lifer
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If he loses the election (and there isn't a more competent cheat/coup to put him in) it won't matter. He'll be ditched by GOP supporters as fast as they swiveled onto him from Jeb, Cruz and the others in 2016. He'll spend his last years completely irrelevant. All the righties will say how they "never really liked that guy."

He's no spring chicken. This is the last rodeo for him. I wonder if lingering on free for years with no spotlight on him might not be the worst punishment he can imagine.

I'm not so sure they dump him. The entire party apparatus is built around him and his ilk. Hell, the national committee has become a family affair. The "rising stars" of the party have all morphed into wanna-be Trump clones. I don't think it'll die with him. Literally or figuratively.
 

manly

Lifer
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I think it's more likely he dies before all the legal proceedings/appeals wrap up.

Either would be acceptable.
Barring heart disease or cancer, life spans in the U.S. are very long for the upper middle class and above. His dad Fred Trump lived to a ripe old age, so who knows how much time he's got left on the clock.

Samuel Alito is so full of shit the courtroom must smell like a sewer.

Alito went as far as to suggest that denying ex-presidents immunity would discourage peaceful transfers of power, because outgoing presidents who lost hotly contested elections would not want to depart peacefully if they were concerned they’d be prosecuted by their political rival.

Yes, let's give the outgoing president full immunity to fuck shit up and even execute a coup; because otherwise, he would be inclined to fuck shit up for fear of retribution.
 

emperus

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Trump's attorney basically saying a President assassinating his political rival would be an immune official act perfectly put the cap on where we are as a country.

 

fskimospy

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Barring heart disease or cancer, life spans in the U.S. are very long for the upper middle class and above. His dad Fred Trump lived to a ripe old age, so who knows how much time he's got left on the clock.

Samuel Alito is so full of shit the courtroom must smell like a sewer.



Yes, let's give the outgoing president full immunity to fuck shit up and even execute a coup; because otherwise, he would be inclined to fuck shit up for fear of retribution.
That was an amazing statement. If presidents aren’t legally immune for attempting a coup they might…attempt a coup.

You know what I think would make people more likely to attempt a coup? Making them immune from consequences for it!
 

MrSquished

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There are a few people I could watch be eaten alive by carnivorous ants while I kick back and suck down a Mai Tai and Alito in the top three for sure. Truly an irredeemable miserable rat bastard who only lives to torture the country.
Just a few? You are way too tolerant to evil
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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To play devils advocate I think the conservative justices are trying to draw the line between presidents who are doing illegal acts out of necessity or due to circumstances that requires a president to act versus presidents that are committing illegal acts for personal reasons.

For example; let’s say the potus ordered the killing of 200 Americans on American soil. How many of you would say he should be immune from any charges? Probably none of us. Now let’s say the potus made such an order because those people were on a plane that was hijacked and appeared to be headed to a major population center where the potential of thousands of people could be killed. How many would say they should be immune from prosecution for such an order? I’m guessing most of would be.

So there appears to be a line or requirement to invoke such immunity.

That being said, under the circumstances Trump faced there was absolutely zero obligation that he needed to create a fake elector scheme or to overthrow a democratic election, so even under the weakest of presidential duty tests, trumps actions would fail to meet those tests.
 

eelw

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But that’s just it, outside of ACB, the other 5 avoided talking about the orange monkey completely.
 
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hal2kilo

Lifer
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No links yet, and maybe there is another more appropriate thread to put this in, but Jack Smith has just released all of the redacted information submitted as evidence in the Jan. 6th investigation. Explicitly, defining unofficial acts by Trump!
Lots of stuff on air.
 

akenbennu

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Dave_5k

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Well a bunch of people talking about 1/6 before the election is probably not what I would call helpful to Trump. Timely after the VP debate where this and certification came up and Vance's answers were much less than reassuring to voters.
While 70% of Republicans are beyond reach, all strongly believing the big lie Trump keeps repeating of a stolen election - based solely on the massive, irrefutable proof that it wasn't - reaching a fraction of the not quite as insane 30% that "aren't sure" could make the difference. But this evidence would have to somehow reach across to their entirely closed ecosystem of solely listening to MAGA fake news sources.

Maybe Harris running ads on Fox: with the Vance clip followed by damning extracts of the evidence Trump knew he was lying, and short admission video clips from some of Trump's lawyer co-conspirators who pled out, and finishing off with a full screen of "Fox News paid out $787 million to avoid trial for spreading Trump's stolen election lies".
 

trenchfoot

Lifer
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Starting with the obvious fact that if Trump were truly innocent of the crimes he's indicted over, he'd insist on having quick trials to prove his innocence before the upcoming elections occurred.

Rather, with the help of the conservatives in the courts right up to the very top, he and they have been very busy delaying the inevitable outcomes of his trials that speaks to his and every corrupted conservative magistrate's tipping the scales of justice in his favor having full knowledge that he's guilty of every crime he's been charged with.

For these obvious reasons alone Trump should never again be able to set up his nepotistic family business operations in the White House. Include his many other personality disorders, his absence of morals and ethics, his disregard for protocols and decorum that his former position required of him and his being an admitted racist, the question that needs to be asked and answered is why the hell is he still being hailed by his supporters as God's blessed gift to the nation when he looks and behaves as if he was sent up from the bowels of Hell.
 
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