Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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Brovane

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Saw a timely headline for this sort of subject. Are we prepared for a full scale conventional war?
Remember. This exists under the context of MAGA chomping at the bit to attain the power to betray NATO and leave Europe without America.

NATO 'inadequately' prepared for large-scale war with Russia, Gen. Ben Hodges says

NATO lacks adequate air defenses, military mobility, ammunition, and the mindset to be fully ready for a large-scale conventional war, retired U.S. Lieutenant General Ben Hodges said on Oct. 2.
Speaking at a discussion at the Warsaw Security Forum attended by the Kyiv Independent, Hodges said that many of Europe's political and military leaders do not fully acknowledge the realities of a possible war with Russia.
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"We don't have adequate missile and air defense to protect our seaports, airports, and critical infrastructure," Hodges said.
NATO's eastern flank has only 5% of the air defense capabilities necessary to deter an attack, the Financial Times reported in May.

With what has happened during the Special Operation in Ukraine. I don't see how Russia is actually ready for a full scale conventional war with NATO.
 

K1052

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In the event of a war with NATO the Europeans aren't going to be tiptoeing around Russian airspace so as not to offend. They're going to take their F-35s and go exterminate the VKS.
 

Pens1566

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With what has happened during the Special Operation in Ukraine. I don't see how Russia is actually ready for a full scale conventional war with NATO.

Even if you had a time machine, and could go back to before they invaded Ukraine, it would have been a week long action at most. Assuming it stayed conventional. The Russians would have been no match whatsoever for a coordinated combined arms adversary.
 
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fskimospy

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In the event of a war with NATO the Europeans aren't going to be tiptoeing around Russian airspace so as not to offend. They're going to take their F-35s and go exterminate the VKS.
Yeah I think people sometimes forget that, for example, if Russia were fighting the US that 40 mile or whatever Russian convoy towards Kyiv would not have retreated back into Russia, it would have been annihilated.
 

RnR_au

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Yeah I think people sometimes forget that, for example, if Russia were fighting the US that 40 mile or whatever Russian convoy towards Kyiv would not have retreated back into Russia, it would have been annihilated.
I think its safe to say that if such a scenario happened again against Ukraine, Peter Jackson would be jealous at the 10's of miles of Mad Max scenes. Ukraine has the capability nowadays execute on such stationary assets.
 
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RnR_au

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New toys coming soon...

Brigadier General Serhiy Baranov, head of the Main Directorate of Missiles, Artillery, and Unmanned Systems said that test flights with the HRIM-2 ballistic missile, develloped by Ukraine, resulted in a a precise hit of a target 700km away.

Source

Also from the thread, each unit will cost under $1mil apparently so hopefully Ukraine have the resources to make it rain with these.
 

kage69

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New toys coming soon...



Source

Also from the thread, each unit will cost under $1mil apparently so hopefully Ukraine have the resources to make it rain with these.

I believe that is 1/10th the price of a Kinzhal.

Outstanding bang for the buck!
 
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RnR_au

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Holy sheeeet.
Attrition getting real. How long is that sustainable? A couple of years?
Two bits of news in relation to this aka the Russian Federal budget;
So who knows how long this can go on for. But I'm placing my bets on Ukraine with its backers of Europe and the interest from the frozen Russian assets.

Reminder, Russia's economy is smaller than either Texas or Italy. Probably even more interesting is that Russia's Western neighbours (Poland, Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Ukraine, Finland, Lithuania, Estonia, and Latvia) combined GDP exceeds Russia by 50%.

Given that Russia have been spending their Soviet inheritance in terms of materiel and that will be gone in 2025, there is no pathway to success for Russia if Ukraine's Western allies hold faith with Ukraine and keep their support strong.
 

Jaskalas

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The sad and horrifying story of Ukrainians holding the frontline.
Reddit link for translation in the comments.

‘We Simply Had No One and Nothing Left to Fight With’ — a Representative of the 72nd Brigade Battalion Headquarters on Leaving Vuhledar

When asked why they failed to hold the town, which was situated on a hill and had a very favourable position for defence, and which his brigade and other units had held for two years, Viktor explains: ‘And what is a dominant height now, if the enemy’s reconnaissance drones are hovering over you around the clock? And they have an advantage in artillery, we had practically no artillery, it’s not like it was in the winter of 23rd, when we defeated the 155th Brigade (in February 2023, the 72nd Brigade destroyed several columns of Russian tanks and effectively rendered the 155th Marine Brigade of the Russian Federation incapable of fighting, which attacked Pavlivka, near Vuhledar — ed.) Then we had a lot of artillery, shoot if you want, but now we don’t, they have parity in the air due to the larger number of FPV drones. The Russians also started remotely mining all the access roads to the front line. Yes, their infantry are bums, but they have an advantage in means and numbers. We simply had no one and nothing to fight with.’
Viktor tells us how many men he has left in the battalion. Out of 350 people, there are up to 30 people left for one platoon. This includes mechanics, drivers, and recently infantrymen who held the front line — a 2-3 kilometre strip — and there were 14-18 people in the unit.
 

Jaskalas

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Love this - video of Garry Kasparov saying that the Russian Imperial virus has to die... "They have to see empire is dead." “Nothing short of Ukrainian flag in Sevastopol” 🫶
Our military forcing Russia back to its own borders is the only thing that will not lead to emboldened and battle hardened Russians on the Polish border.
The only thing that will not lead to a nuclear exchange as Russia takes more European countries. Prevent them from thinking they can do it in the first place.
 
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Drach

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The sad and horrifying story of Ukrainians holding the frontline.
Reddit link for translation in the comments.

‘We Simply Had No One and Nothing Left to Fight With’ — a Representative of the 72nd Brigade Battalion Headquarters on Leaving Vuhledar

When asked why they failed to hold the town, which was situated on a hill and had a very favourable position for defence, and which his brigade and other units had held for two years, Viktor explains: ‘And what is a dominant height now, if the enemy’s reconnaissance drones are hovering over you around the clock? And they have an advantage in artillery, we had practically no artillery, it’s not like it was in the winter of 23rd, when we defeated the 155th Brigade (in February 2023, the 72nd Brigade destroyed several columns of Russian tanks and effectively rendered the 155th Marine Brigade of the Russian Federation incapable of fighting, which attacked Pavlivka, near Vuhledar — ed.) Then we had a lot of artillery, shoot if you want, but now we don’t, they have parity in the air due to the larger number of FPV drones. The Russians also started remotely mining all the access roads to the front line. Yes, their infantry are bums, but they have an advantage in means and numbers. We simply had no one and nothing to fight with.’
Viktor tells us how many men he has left in the battalion. Out of 350 people, there are up to 30 people left for one platoon. This includes mechanics, drivers, and recently infantrymen who held the front line — a 2-3 kilometre strip — and there were 14-18 people in the unit.
Always doom and gloom from you. My family there has high hopes.
It would be nice if you could give a small amount of faith in the Ukrainian resolve. Peace .
 
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