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MrSquished likes ROP. DigDog doesn't. Good to know.

Can we move on please?

igor_kavinski said:

MrSquished likes ROP. DigDog doesn't. Good to know.

Can we move on please?

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Sure I have no problem with that, because I'm the only one of us who has actually watched it.

Batwoman S1 (2019)

IMO the biggest let-down of this series is the acting. The woman who plays 'Alice' is doing like 90% of the heavy lifting with necessarily over-the-top comic-villain acting (which I'm fine with). But good acting is what can take an overall mediocre script and hit it out of the park anyway. Instead there's a lot of wooden/mediocre/passable acting and it just isn't enough.

The next problem is the script, which I'll divide into two elements: The main causal mechanics of the story, and the personal element. Causal mechanics problems: such as when 'notable good guy' gets framed for a crime and the only expert witness who will testify to the "science fiction" technique used to frame good guy is someone quietly benefiting from that technique is a reputed good guy who is hiding their real identity as a bad guy. This bit of plot goes on for a couple of episodes, then the good guy is let out of jail with no comment on how he was found not guilty for what was considered an open-and-shut guilty case. Another example is a villain correctly guessing exactly how another character (their son) will react to an overdose of fear toxin and their exact reaction is necessary for villain's plan to succeed. I don't remember all the details for other examples, but this should be sufficient. Also, I have to say the "adrenaline will counter an overdose of fear toxin" and "villain finds a rare cure-all for all poisons to counter a manufactured-by-billion-dollar-company poison with no researched antidote" elements bothered me, but when I thought about it, if it happened in Batman TAS I would have let it slide. This is still comic-book stuff we're talking about after all. I almost switched off when the series seemed to imply that a man could slash his own carotid artery with a broken drinking glass and a little blood appeared, but thankfully the plot then explicitly stated that he didn't manage it, just attempted it. However, a staple gun to stop the bleeding seems a stretch to say the least.

IMO the personal element is almost perfectly fine, it explores some interesting ideas on "what can we do with a Batman-type character", though this series will absolutely press the buttons of a bunch of neckbeards who hoped to see as many male-gaze shots and lesbian love-making scenes as possible (answer: there's only one, and if that's the reason you tuned in, don't bother watching it for this), and there's lots more scary "woke" stuff in there like that in most big crimes, there are people with power, influence and/or authority abusing their position and need to be held accountable, a theme that happens surprisingly often in this series, as well as characters who are intended to inspire minorities (who are also entitled to enjoy the comic book genre). I say "almost perfectly fine", because I wonder if an attempt to completely flesh out a villain's back story was a mistake, it's like writing a complete back story for the Joker, right down to their childhood: either write something so good that it's going to be remembered in literature, or go home. I also wonder if the reason it was attempted is that while this series attempts to do good things with regard to writing realistic female characters, I think the writers sometimes fall into the trope that a female character must have a tragic backstory and really is just a broken little girl at heart even as an adult. Perhaps it was necessary for the rest of the plot to click together, I'm not sure.

It seemed to me that the series found a better plot vein to explore about 15 episodes into the 20-episode first season. Like so many series start out very shakily, I wonder if this is another example.

DigDog said:

That none of these reviews criticizing ROP (or the others) are done maliciously, they are not rage bait. Come on, rage bait isn't even this, it's when someone posts something obscenely wrong so that people will interact with them, kinda what you are doing right now. All the various criticisms on ROP, Velma, the new Ghostbusters, Capt Marvel, Concord, Snow White, Agatha, Acolyte, whatever, is all reasonable and all criticism that i agree with. To the point i'm frankly shocked that people here on ATOT who ought to know better can actually watch something so bad as ROP, and while you can watch whatever you want if you enjoy it, your enjoying it doesn't it actually make it good. When every single reviewer finds a specific product to be shit, then i'm sorry, you're just a turd-enjoyer, it's not a secret conspiracy to ruin (checks notes) the franchise they all adore.

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Who cares about these "crowd sourced" review sites anyway, though? They are no more to be relied on than Amazon product reviews. At least there's no reason to pay attention to aggregated 'star ratings'. Maybe there might be something interesting in there if one could be bothered to read through the specific comments.

I don't know what "ROP" is ("Revenge of...something" "Return of...something" "Rise of...something"?) , but I wasn't particularly impressed with the Ghostbusters all-female "reboot". I think I saw a video that made some perfectly valid points about why it was flawed. But really I don't much care - the original movie was kind of a one-off, that just-about-worked in-the-moment, but never really thought it merited sequels, yet alone a 'franchise' in the first place, and the more-conventional sequels were pretty weak as well.

pmv said:

I don't know what "ROP" is

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I barely watched two episodes of it. I'm not a LoTR fanatic. But I prefer that over anything Harry Potter related. So coming from LoTR, ROP just seemed weird. It was different in that you need patience to absorb the things that have changed (including actors/actresses). This is not easy by any means and I had to give up because it just failed to retain my interest. The fact that it didn't evoke any curiosity in me to discover/understand the newer/changed aspects is a major fault of the writing I guess. I suppose I could get back into it once I am so bored that I have nothing better to watch but that's the thing. The average movie/series aficionado has a huge backlog of stuff and always coming to know more about tons of interesting stuff to watch ALL the time. ROP simply lost the battle to capture my attention long enough for me to invest in it. People who have never watched LoTR or read the books may find ROP more compelling because it would be something entirely new to them and thus, they would be more curious to learn about this beautiful, enchanting and visually striking world.

Same thing happened to me with regards to House of the Dragon. I have not seen the original Game of Thrones. And now I don't feel the need to. I love HoD. But the clips I see of GoT just fail to evoke any interest in my mind. The sets look antiquated and frankly, BAD by 2024's standards. I don't care about any of the actors I've seen in the clips of GoT. Certainly not enough to force myself to sit down and allocate time to watch one or two episodes of season one. Maybe if I'm bored some day...

igor_kavinski said:

The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power (TV Series 2022– ) - IMDb

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I barely watched two episodes of it. I'm not a LoTR fanatic. But I prefer that over anything Harry Potter related. So coming from LoTR, ROP just seemed weird. It was different in that you need patience to absorb the things that have changed (including actors/actresses). This is not easy by any means and I had to give up because it just failed to retain my interest. The fact that it didn't evoke any curiosity in me to discover/understand the newer/changed aspects is a major fault of the writing I guess. I suppose I could get back into it once I am so bored that I have nothing better to watch but that's the thing. The average movie/series aficionado has a huge backlog of stuff and always coming to know more about tons of interesting stuff to watch ALL the time. ROP simply lost the battle to capture my attention long enough for me to invest in it. People who have never watched LoTR or read the books may find ROP more compelling because it would be something entirely new to them and thus, they would be more curious to learn about this beautiful, enchanting and visually striking world.

Same thing happened to me with regards to House of the Dragon. I have not seen the original Game of Thrones. And now I don't feel the need to. I love HoD. But the clips I see of GoT just fail to evoke any interest in my mind. The sets look antiquated and frankly, BAD by 2024's standards. I don't care about any of the actors I've seen in the clips of GoT. Certainly not enough to force myself to sit down and allocate time to watch one or two episodes of season one. Maybe if I'm bored some day...

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-Honestly prequels kinda suck in general and I wish there were less of them.

They also seem harder to write well, because if the audience already knows where things are going to end up, then your writing/characters/conflicts/resolutions/etc better be fucking *on point* otherwise what's the point of tuning in if there is 0 mystery and things just unfold as expected.

More franchises would benefit from "what's next" rather than what came before or what happened in between.

igor_kavinski said:

The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power (TV Series 2022– ) - IMDb

Der Herr der Ringe: Die Ringe der Macht (TV Series 2022– ) Reference View

www.imdb.com

I barely watched two episodes of it. I'm not a LoTR fanatic. But I prefer that over anything Harry Potter related. So coming from LoTR, ROP just seemed weird. It was different in that you need patience to absorb the things that have changed (including actors/actresses). This is not easy by any means and I had to give up because it just failed to retain my interest. The fact that it didn't evoke any curiosity in me to discover/understand the newer/changed aspects is a major fault of the writing I guess. I suppose I could get back into it once I am so bored that I have nothing better to watch but that's the thing. The average movie/series aficionado has a huge backlog of stuff and always coming to know more about tons of interesting stuff to watch ALL the time. ROP simply lost the battle to capture my attention long enough for me to invest in it. People who have never watched LoTR or read the books may find ROP more compelling because it would be something entirely new to them and thus, they would be more curious to learn about this beautiful, enchanting and visually striking world.

Same thing happened to me with regards to House of the Dragon. I have not seen the original Game of Thrones. And now I don't feel the need to. I love HoD. But the clips I see of GoT just fail to evoke any interest in my mind. The sets look antiquated and frankly, BAD by 2024's standards. I don't care about any of the actors I've seen in the clips of GoT. Certainly not enough to force myself to sit down and allocate time to watch one or two episodes of season one. Maybe if I'm bored some day...

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I never really considered watching that - it got pretty bad reviews that I saw, and I never cared for Lord of The Rings in the first place.

I rather liked GoT (never saw the last season that everybody seemed to dislike, though). Though I feel awkward about liking it because so many people I know really hate it (largely because it's full of politically-questionable stuff, both sexual and racial). I liked it because it seemed a much more realistic and cynical take on politics (in the sense of power struggles) than LoTR (or Star Wars...or The West Wing, for that matter, which surely has to have been the most unrealistic fantasy TV show ever made).

.. i cant get over the fact that one one post you say "who cares about independent reviewers" and in the next "oh well the reviews are bad".


i watched Wolfs - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt14257582/reference/

where the plot is in the title. It's not "wolves", but rather a pluralization of the character of Wolf, played by Harvey Keitel in Pulp Fiction.

Slutty but essentially honest D.A. lady gets caught with a dead male hooker in her hotel room. George Clooney shows up as the cleaner; while he is preparing to dispose of the body, Brad Pitt shows up ALSO as the cleaner.
George and Brad clash over who is going to take control and who is the more "professional" of the two. Eventually they get rid of the body, and try to figure out how it was that two cleaners both got called on the same job. Further subterfuge and spy-crime drama ensue.

It was okay. You know from the first ten minutes how the film is gonna pan out, where the two go from enemy to frienemy. The script is solid but the story lacks sparkle, even with these two giants of acting. I wish the fun parts - where they are working together - had more space in the film, instead of being very near the end. Couple of other decent ideas here that do not work well in practice.
Sadly both cleaner roles have been given to straight white men, no POCs, little people, or the wheelchair-enabled were considered.

6/10 for rational humans, 2/10 for audiences that think africans can be cast as elves.

DigDog said:

Gabba Gabba.

Dunno man, i just type "rings of power review" into youtube and these are the titles of the reviews:

Rings Of Power Season 2 Audience BOMBS The Ratings Are Disastrous

Rings Of Power - The Ultimate Insult To Tolkien

Rings of Power S2 Episode 7 - THE BIG BATTLE! - Angry Review

Rings of Power is a Disappointment, Here's Why | An Overdue Critique

Rings of Power is Horrible

Rings of Power Review OFFENSIVE Anti Entertainment

My thoughts on The Rings of Power Season 1. No matter where you land on the show, we're all Tolkien fans. My hope is this ...

The Rings Of Power - A Billion Dollar Nightmare

Rings of Power: This Crap Keeps Getting Worse

The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power is teetering on becoming the worst television show of the year.

Rings of Power RECAP: Season 1

Rings of Power Season 2, Episode 6 BREAKDOWN

The Dumbest Battle In Middle Earth - An Analysis

Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power's penultimate episode, the battle for Eregion, may be the dumbest armed conflict ever

Rings Of Power - At Risk Of Cancellation?

Rings of Power Review - Great Comedy, EVIL People

Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power Review Episode 7 Season 2 for Amazon Prime Video. Sauron convinces Celebrimbor to ...

The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power - Season 1 Review

The Lord of the Rings: Rings of Power Season 2 Review

Why The Rings Of Power SUCKS - A Scene Comparison

Rings of Power Cast Can Do WHAT?!

There's a MAJOR PROBLEM with RINGS OF POWER

Rings of Power Season 2 Is A Confirmed DISASTER For Amazon! | Lost HALF Of Their Audience!

Rings of Power Season 2 is Abysmal - Lord of The Rings From Dummies

there is only one title praising it, calling it a masterpiece. Diff'rent strokes, amairite?

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algorithm is doing its job it seems. using your search history to give you what you want to see.

pmv said:

I liked it because it seemed a much more realistic and cynical take on politics (in the sense of power struggles) than LoTR (or Star Wars...or The West Wing, for that matter, which surely has to have been the most unrealistic fantasy TV show ever made).

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Check out House of Dragon then. I think it has better acting all around and there's plenty of juicy dirty politics!

By the way, The Boys also has plenty of politics. Superhuman level politics.

DigDog said:

2/10 for audiences that think africans can be cast as elves.

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Let it go, mannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

soulcougher73 said:

algorithm is doing its job it seems. using your search history to give you what you want to see.

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what exactly is the purpose of writing this?
As in, you think you are right with what you wrote, but did not bother to check? Or on purpose trying to get a rise out of me? Because the way this looks right now is that you're either an asshole or an idiot.

Here is the results from TOR

Rings of Power Season 2 Is A Confirmed DISASTER For Amazon! | Lost HALF Of Their Audience!

The Rings of Power Season 2: A Total Failure

Rings of Power Review - Great Comedy, EVIL People

Rings of Power season 2 completes the DESTRUCTION of Tolkien / s02e07 REVIEW

Rings Of Power Season 2 Audience BOMBS The Ratings Are Disastrous

Rings of Power: This Crap Keeps Getting Worse

The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power is teetering on becoming the worst television show of the year. Whether you're a ...

Drinker's Chasers - Rings Of Power Episode 7 Makes NO Sense

RINGS OF POWER Season 2 Episode 7 BREAKDOWN! - Lord of the Rings Easter Eggs You Missed!

The Scene That Made Me Quit the Rings of Power

MORDOR'S Creation Story HAS A PROBLEM

THE LORD OF THE RINGS THE RINGS OF POWER SEASON 2 EPISODE 7 REVIEW - AMAZON PRIME VIDEO #shorts

Rings of Power Season 2 is a DISASTER - Women Destroy Middle-earth

Rings Of Power - The Ultimate Insult To Tolkien

Rings of Power is Horrible

The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power season 2, reviewed by Samantha Nelson. Narrated by Clint Gage. Season 2 of The ...

The first 2 episodes of the Lord of the Rings prequel series has aired, and as a Lord of the Rings fan, I do have some thoughts.

Amazon Rings of Power – An Epic Disaster!

Amazon Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power continues its journey... or does it? Amazon Prime uses iconic names like Galadriel, ...

The Rings of Power - Amazon Suspends Reviews...

Rings of Power Cast Can Do WHAT?!

The Hypocrisy of "Real" Tolkien fans (The Rings of Power)

THE RINGS OF POWER Episode 7 Review || The Best Episode Of The Season With Some Of The Worst Moments

Rings of Power is a Disappointment, Here's Why | An Overdue Critique

Rings Of Power Season 2 Review - Ep 7 A Very Tiny Big Battle

Rings of Power Season 2 is Abysmal - Lord of The Rings From Dummies

Rings of Power S2 Episode 5 is as dumb as it is boring. The scouring of Tolkien continues. Edited by @QTRBlackGarrett Special ...

This PRACTICAL effect in Rings of Power is AMAZING!

There's a MAJOR PROBLEM with RINGS OF POWER

and my favorite
The Rings of Power is a masterclass

DigDog said:

As in, you think you are right with what you wrote, but did not bother to check?

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I don't understand why you're so insecure about this. Who cares? Rage videos get clicks. Just look at the titles.

And when I search, I get none of those videos when doing an anonymous search. But again, who cares?

DigDog said:

.. i cant get over the fact that one one post you say "who cares about independent reviewers" and in the next "oh well the reviews are bad".

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Not that complicated - did you read what I said? I said I don't care about reviews by random people on crowd-sourced review sites, and in particular about star ratings (which are generally meaningless). If people make valid, properly-argued, points about a movie (or other product), as professional reviewers do, then that can be worthwhile. As your response doesn't fit what I said at all, I have to assume you are just trolling at this point.

DigDog said:

what exactly is the purpose of writing this?
As in, you think you are right with what you wrote, but did not bother to check? Or on purpose trying to get a rise out of me? Because the way this looks right now is that you're either an asshole or an idiot.

Here is the results from TOR

Rings of Power Season 2 Is A Confirmed DISASTER For Amazon! | Lost HALF Of Their Audience!

The Rings of Power Season 2: A Total Failure

Rings of Power Review - Great Comedy, EVIL People

Rings of Power season 2 completes the DESTRUCTION of Tolkien / s02e07 REVIEW

Rings Of Power Season 2 Audience BOMBS The Ratings Are Disastrous

Rings of Power: This Crap Keeps Getting Worse

The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power is teetering on becoming the worst television show of the year. Whether you're a ...

Drinker's Chasers - Rings Of Power Episode 7 Makes NO Sense

RINGS OF POWER Season 2 Episode 7 BREAKDOWN! - Lord of the Rings Easter Eggs You Missed!

The Scene That Made Me Quit the Rings of Power

MORDOR'S Creation Story HAS A PROBLEM

THE LORD OF THE RINGS THE RINGS OF POWER SEASON 2 EPISODE 7 REVIEW - AMAZON PRIME VIDEO #shorts

Rings of Power Season 2 is a DISASTER - Women Destroy Middle-earth

Rings Of Power - The Ultimate Insult To Tolkien

Rings of Power is Horrible

The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power season 2, reviewed by Samantha Nelson. Narrated by Clint Gage. Season 2 of The ...

The first 2 episodes of the Lord of the Rings prequel series has aired, and as a Lord of the Rings fan, I do have some thoughts.

Amazon Rings of Power – An Epic Disaster!

Amazon Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power continues its journey... or does it? Amazon Prime uses iconic names like Galadriel, ...

The Rings of Power - Amazon Suspends Reviews...

Rings of Power Cast Can Do WHAT?!

The Hypocrisy of "Real" Tolkien fans (The Rings of Power)

THE RINGS OF POWER Episode 7 Review || The Best Episode Of The Season With Some Of The Worst Moments

Rings of Power is a Disappointment, Here's Why | An Overdue Critique

Rings Of Power Season 2 Review - Ep 7 A Very Tiny Big Battle

Rings of Power Season 2 is Abysmal - Lord of The Rings From Dummies

Rings of Power S2 Episode 5 is as dumb as it is boring. The scouring of Tolkien continues. Edited by @QTRBlackGarrett Special ...

This PRACTICAL effect in Rings of Power is AMAZING!

There's a MAJOR PROBLEM with RINGS OF POWER

and my favorite
The Rings of Power is a masterclass

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Do you not know how algorithms work? Do you know what an information silo is?

soulcougher73 said:

Do you not know how algorithms work? Do you know what an information silo is?

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why don't you try it yourself.

ignore the title card, wait for the explanation of the name of the stranger.

Christ @DigDog your obsession with hating RoP has been going on for two weeks now.

You don't like it. We get it. How about you give it a rest?

Anyone heard of "Forbrydelsen"? It's from 2007, so it's a bit old ...

It's a Danish thriller series, with 3 seasons, that ended up originating the US show "The Killing".

While the US show is good (i liked it), the original version "puts it to shame", IMO: it's one of THE BEST series of the genre i've ever seen.


Just finished the 3rd season ... again ... a few minutes ago ...

Finished rings of power season 2. Overall just such a good series. I really hope there's not 2 years between the next one. It was not a perfect season but it was very very good.

I find these people that are obsessively against rings of power who have never seen it to be quite pathetic. I mean fine don't watch it but these people are just weirdos obsessed and shitting on something in so many ways, but many haven't even taken a look.

Simon Tolkien is a consultant on this show and after each episode they have a little inside the episode video. Not necessarily with him but theshowrunners can be there as some of the actors, and they do go into why they did this or that with parts of the story. Such as how they expanded on the character of Adar vs the brief mentions he got by Tolkien. This would drive the hardcore foaming at the mouth haters crazy!

Frankly I don't think you could actually be a Lord of the rings fan a Tolkien fan and be so negative about something for what are clearly some wacky motives. For many Lord of the rings fan this is just beautiful stuff really bringing to life the history for the stuff we've all seen. You can not like it, but to be so rabid against this show is not being a better more hardcore fan, It's just a mental issue.

Anyways highly recommend it.

ignore the reviews !
racism !
RT audience score is all haters !
IMDb reviews are all haters !
canon is irrelevant !
fans are bigots !

oh i am not talking about Rings Of Power. I am talking about

Doctor Who
Velma
Star Wars
Star Trek
Agatha
Snow White
Rick & Morty Anime

what on earth would make you think i was criticizing RoP ?? that show is fantastic.

i watched

The Spy Who Dumped Me (2018) - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6663582/reference/
Kate McKinnock and Mila Kunis spy-bro film that's vaguely funny in a clumsy-girls-go-WhOOOPS kinda way but is far to long for the same schtick to last for an hour an a half.
5.5/10

Sleepless (2017) - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2072233/reference/
Jamie Foxx is the badass rogue cop caught in a drug heist gone wrong; suspense quickly mounts as his son is kidnapped as ransom for the stolen drugs, and.
Yeah because then nothing happens.
It's constant shootouts with goons that left me numb as to any potential risk the protagonist may be going through. Director ?Baran bo Odar? on his second - and likely last - film here.
5/10

Knowing (2009) - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0448011/reference/
Nic Cage film about numerology. Little girl in the 1940s writes a cryptic series of numbers that Cage quickly recognizes as (US-only) disasters, which he tries to prevent but can't because nobody will listen to him.
The setup is already bad because it's trying to make mysterious something that is exceedingly obvious (the numbers are dates of these disasters, as the protagonist already knows), and the finale has nothing short of aliens and the earth being incinerated.
5/10


idk i watched them and did not like them, but since the reviews also agree with me, that would mean that both me and the reviewers are WRONG. Because that's how it works.

DigDog said:

idk i watched them and did not like them, but since the reviews also agree with me, that would mean that both me and the reviewers are WRONG. Because that's how it works.

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I would rate all three as 6 unless I was emotionally in a bad state. Did not hate them. I guess the worst one can say about them is that they are somewhat forgettable.

I absolutely love how a black elf, among other things, has triggered all these fucking lunatics. I bet you Tolkien's son,who is a consultant on this, also thinks it's fucking hilarious. I think he knew his dad better than any of those dumb fuckers. Got to laugh at the shit show as it passes by. From what we know about the author these fucking triggered jackasses are completely going against what he fundamentally stood for. And they think they're the biggest Toklien's fans. Funny and bigly sad.

i can't fathom what happens in your imagination, but obviously there's people angry about a black elf?
Weird, there's no black elves that i can recall in The Acolyte. And i'm not sure that Simon Tolkien was involved with that show. Simon, who is .. not Tolkien's son. I guess a Tolkien fan would know Christopher is Tolkien's son. Aaaand apparently Simon wasn't too keen on preserving the heritage of Granddad. I guess we want to skirt over the fact that the person in charge of the Tolkien works told amazon to go fuck themselves. But *his* son, a lawyer, took the money so Amazon could put "Tolkien Approved" on their shit.
So yeah SOME GUY called Tolkien worked on RoP.

'tell you what, i'll take the black elf (of Telerin heritage, lol) if we can get rid of everything else. The ring taking over Durin III, Galadriel jumping off of a cliff without dying and poractically every scene she is in, from the fight against Sauron with swords, to Numenor, to the raft, Orcs portrayed as family-loving, Gil-Galad commanding the Sylvani, the butchering of Gandalf's name meaning "grand elf", eh, i mean people have made lists of everything that is factually wrong in this show so maybe even if the acting didn't suck balls, i would say this is not a great product to target at LOTR fans.
oh yeah wait, also Elron being a complete fucking tool.

Wait what were we talking about? Black elves? you mean the guy who gets stabbed twice and left for dead, but shows up miraculously healed? THAT GUY?
I'm sure he was not in Doctor Who.