The only source that I have seen, which suggests a 2025H2 release for Oryon V2 is the Dell slide;As for Pegasus (Oryon V2) in Glymur, the first rumors that they were testing Hamoa came around spring of '23 with release summer '24, and that they're reported as having started testing in summer '24 for Glymur is consistent for release in 2H25. This is also consistent w/ the leaked Dell slide as well which puts the V2 release about a year and a quarter off of V1. That Dell was told V3 comes in only '27 seems to indicate an awfully long 2 year gap between V2 and V3 compared to 1 year and 1 quarter from V1 to V2 especially when Cristiano said they were full steam ahead with investment in the PC space (unless V1 had been delayed.)
My source just updated me with XE G2 roadmap which are supposedly launching in H1 2026. There are two SoCs planned:
1. SoC codenamed Glymur:
- Higher tier than Hamoa
- 18 cores CPU (6L+6L+6M), cluster of six
- 192-bit LPDDR5x (don't know final speed yet)
- Full DX12U features including hardware RT
2. SoC codenamed Mahua
That's all I know atm, at least we have an idea what Qualcomm are planning in 2026. Again, treat this as rumor until real thing happens.
- Hamoa successor
- 12 cores CPU (6L+6M), cluster of six
- 128-bit LPDDR5x (don't know final speed yet)
- Full DX12U features including hardware RT
If 8G4 was brought to laptops, it would be Qualcomm's equivalent to Intel's Lunar Lake.Die harvested 8G4's (e.g. ones w/ a busted modem block) could also be very potent laptop chips with better efficiency characteristics than the X-Elite/Plus at 3nm with a major design refresh, but it's difficult to see where they would slot them in with the released X-Elite and X-Plus laptop parts. An 8G4 is likely to have a stronger GPU, but a weaker CPU in multi-threaded situations than the laptop parts. Maybe budget gaming laptops and Steam deck competitors...
That they're rumored to be distinguishing the "8 Elite" branding from the recent phone SoC "8G(N)" notation is suggestive it is intended to stretch beyond phones.If 8G4 was brought to laptops, it would be Qualcomm's equivalent to Intel's Lunar Lake.
8 cores for 'just enough' MT performance for an average user, strong ST performance and very performant/efficient GPU. With on-package memory to top it all off.
That said though, 8G4 won't be cheap. I'd guess about 130 mm² of N3E, which would be similar in cost to the 170 mm² N4P die of X Elite.
SME?A18 Pro is a 2P+4E configuration, while 8G4 has a 2P+6E configuration. Not only does the 8G4 has 2 extra E-cores, but those E-cores are more powerful than Apple's too, I suspect. Sure the A18 Pro's P-core is faster than the 8G4's- but only by about 13%. With all that in mind,
8G4 : 10000
A18 Pro : 9000
How is the 8G4 only ~10% faster than the A18 Pro?
Its phone Cpu, there will be limit on how much power they allow soc to use, with reports 8G4 use up to 8W in single core, big cores will be throttled in multi core perfomance.A18 Pro is a 2P+4E configuration, while 8G4 has a 2P+6E configuration. Not only does the 8G4 has 2 extra E-cores, but those E-cores are more powerful than Apple's too, I suspect. Sure the A18 Pro's P-core is faster than the 8G4's- but only by about 13%. With all that in mind,
8G4 : 10000
A18 Pro : 9000
How is the 8G4 only ~10% faster than the A18 Pro?
Excellent pointSME?
A18 Pro is a 2P+4E configuration, while 8G4 has a 2P+6E configuration. Not only does the 8G4 has 2 extra E-cores, but those E-cores are more powerful than Apple's too, I suspect. Sure the A18 Pro's P-core is faster than the 8G4's- but only by about 13%. With all that in mind,
8G4 : 10000
A18 Pro : 9000
How is the 8G4 only ~10% faster than the A18 Pro?
SME?
If Samsung’s 2nm process doesn’t go smoothly, Qualcomm might cancel its plan to mass-produce the 8G5 FG version on Samsung’s 2nm. This means all 8G5 chips could be mass-produced at TSMC instead.
FG = For Galaxy.And this is the reason why Samsung is converting its 3nm line to 2nm. They need to stabilize the 2nm process quickly in order to secure orders from Qualcomm
This Digitimes article says 2025H2 release for Snapdragon X2;The only source that I have seen, which suggests a 2025H2 release for Oryon V2 is the Dell slide;
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Other leaks say 2026H1;
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I dread whatever usecase this may have.A little unrelated, but Qualcomm newest WiFi 7 access points SoCs can be bundled with an AI “co-processor” with up to 40 TOPS.
Qualcomm Unveils the Networking Pro A7 Elite Platform
Qualcomm Technologies, Inc., a global leader in wireless technology innovation, today announced the launch of the Qualcomm Networking Pro A7 Elite, a groundbreaking wireless networking platform set to transform how people will experience their networks with edge AI integration. Leveraging an AI...www.techpowerup.com
A laptop power envelope (~20-30W) with the 8G4 (/ 8 Elite) could boost even MT figures to close to an X-Plus. CPU efficiency may also be much improved with E-cores, DVFS, & more granular power gating.If 8G4 was brought to laptops, it would be Qualcomm's equivalent to Intel's Lunar Lake.
8 cores for 'just enough' MT performance for an average user, strong ST performance and very performant/efficient GPU. With on-package memory to top it all off.
That said though, 8G4 won't be cheap. I'd guess about 130 mm² of N3E, which would be similar in cost to the 170 mm² N4P die of X Elite.
I dread whatever usecase this may have.
If rumors are to be believed, it would be a smaller version of the Snap 8 Gen 4 rather than the Snap 8 Elite.That left me think... how strong SD 7 Plus (or Gen4) would bode this time?
This has already shown to be false. The above chart says Lunar Lake XPS 13 in 2026 while it has already launched and is available since last month. May be there is PTL-M for early 2026.The only source that I have seen, which suggests a 2025H2 release for Oryon V2 is the Dell slide;
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aren't they the same?Snap 8 Gen 4 rather than the Snap 8 Elite.
There are rumors that Snap 8 Gen Elite would use Oryon cores and be expensive while there would be a cheaper Snap 8 Gen 4 using stock Arm Cores and effectively replace the 8GxS.aren't they the same?