Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes Discussion Threads

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As Hot Chips 34 starting this week, Intel will unveil technical information of upcoming Meteor Lake (MTL) and Arrow Lake (ARL), new generation platform after Raptor Lake. Both MTL and ARL represent new direction which Intel will move to multiple chiplets and combine as one SoC platform.

MTL also represents new compute tile that based on Intel 4 process which is based on EUV lithography, a first from Intel. Intel expects to ship MTL mobile SoC in 2023.

ARL will come after MTL so Intel should be shipping it in 2024, that is what Intel roadmap is telling us. ARL compute tile will be manufactured by Intel 20A process, a first from Intel to use GAA transistors called RibbonFET.



Comparison of upcoming Intel's U-series CPU: Core Ultra 100U, Lunar Lake and Panther Lake

ModelCode-NameDateTDPNodeTilesMain TileCPULP E-CoreLLCGPUXe-cores
Core Ultra 100UMeteor LakeQ4 202315 - 57 WIntel 4 + N5 + N64tCPU2P + 8E212 MBIntel Graphics4
?Lunar LakeQ4 202417 - 30 WN3B + N62CPU + GPU & IMC4P + 4E012 MBArc8
?Panther LakeQ1 2026 ??Intel 18A + N3E3CPU + MC4P + 8E4?Arc12



Comparison of die size of Each Tile of Meteor Lake, Arrow Lake, Lunar Lake and Panther Lake

Meteor LakeArrow Lake (N3B)Lunar LakePanther Lake
PlatformMobile H/U OnlyDesktop & Mobile H&HXMobile U OnlyMobile H
Process NodeIntel 4TSMC N3BTSMC N3BIntel 18A
DateQ4 2023Desktop-Q4-2024
H&HX-Q1-2025
Q4 2024Q1 2026 ?
Full Die6P + 8P8P + 16E4P + 4E4P + 8E
LLC24 MB36 MB ?12 MB?
tCPU66.48
tGPU44.45
SoC96.77
IOE44.45
Total252.15



Intel Core Ultra 100 - Meteor Lake



As mentioned by Tomshardware, TSMC will manufacture the I/O, SoC, and GPU tiles. That means Intel will manufacture only the CPU and Foveros tiles. (Notably, Intel calls the I/O tile an 'I/O Expander,' hence the IOE moniker.)



 

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Joe NYC

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Would be interesting to compare latencies of Lunarlake, Arrowlake and Meteorlake. If Arrowlake looks like MTL, then....

I was trying to warn people, but did not want to push it on Intel thread.

Lunar Lake vs. Meteor Lake -> 1x latency improvement
Arrow Lake vs. Raptor Lake -> 1x latency deterioration

So, any conclusions about Arrow Lake based on Lunar Lake performance improvements were going to lead to a big disappointment.
 
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9% over Raptor Cove means the IMC outside of the compute tile hurts, it was the same on Meteor Lake. It cost them 5% IPC in Geekbench for example. 9% over Raptor Cove when Skymont on Ringbus is 2% over Raptor Cove.....Lion Cove IPC only 7% over Skymont? Ouch this hurts given that the Cove is almost 3x as big. Intel Israel seems finished.
 

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How I wrote the only thing that makes sense is that the performance in Intel presentation is with 177W default power limit.

250W power limit will bring at least single digit % improvement in performance and 285K will beat 9950X or be at least comparable with it. Is there anything wrong about that???
 

Markfw

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How I wrote the only thing that makes sense is that the performance in Intel presentation is with 177W default power limit.

250W power limit will bring at least single digit % improvement in performance and 285K will beat 9950X or be at least comparable with it. Is there anything wrong about that???
false statement. If you are running anything avx-512, not true at all.
 

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Josh128

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btw i find it really deafening there aint a single word about this leak over at wccftech.. wanted to check the breakdown in the comments section
guess some PR money found its way over there 😅
You have to look at the thread below. I already threw a few jabs, but I dont want to be the cause of any suicides before a proper article is posted.

 
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