AMD Ryzen 5000 Builders Thread

B-Riz · Oct 8, 2020

	Cores Threads	Base Freq	Turbo Freq	L3 Cache	TDP	MSRP
Ryzen 9 5950X	16c/32t	3400	4900	64 MB	105 W	$799
Ryzen 9 5900X	12c/24t	3700	4800	64 MB	105 W	$549
Ryzen 7 5800X	8c/16t	3800	4700	32 MB	105 W	$449
Ryzen 5 5600X	6c/12t	3700	4600	32 MB	65 W	$299

5600X comes with cooler, the rest do not.

above from https://www.anandtech.com/show/1614...en-3-on-nov-5th-19-ipc-claims-best-gaming-cpu

marees · Oct 3, 2024

marees said:
Potential price cuts on zen 3 processors ??

https://twitter.com/x/status/1841333513209155720

News report of the same

While Taiwanese foundries are reportedly facing price pressure in mature nodes and are said to be offering discounts, TSMC is also rumored to mull about offering discounts to its customers on mature nodes, particular for 7nm and 14nm, a report by Commercial Times indicates.

Sources cited by the report suggest that the foundry giant’s latest move would be a countermeasure to the competition from Samsung and other Chinese foundries.

A previous report by the Economic Daily News notes that local foundries in Taiwan, such as United Microelectronics Corp. (UMC), Vanguard International Semiconductor Corp. (VIS), and Powerchip Semiconductor Manufacturing Corp. (PSMC), are already offering discounts on mature process orders in the fourth quarter, marking a shift from the relatively stable pricing seen in the third quarter.

Now, TSMC seems to follow suit. The report by Commercial Times indicates that this move will boost capacity utilization for TSMC’s mature processes, while offsetting the risk of declining average selling prices (ASP) due to heated competition.

Looking ahead to next year, the pricing pressure on mature processes will likely persist, as TSMC may lead the way in offering discounts for some of its mature nodes, the report notes. Volume would reportedly play a key role in securing discounts, as TSMC may allow more flexibility in pricing with massive orders.

[News] TSMC Reportedly Mulls to Offer Discounts on Mature Nodes, Particular for 7nm/14nm Orders | TrendForce News

While Taiwanese foundries are reportedly facing price pressure in mature nodes and are said to be offering discounts, TSMC is also rumored to mull abo...

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DAPUNISHER · Oct 8, 2024

5800X3D v. 12900K rematch stat, Steve.

I'd like to see more cache loving titles included too. Some of the tested games like Hogwarts, are memory bandwidth lovers and expose AM4's biggest weakness v. AM5 and 1700. Also expecting the new MS Flight Sim version will favor Vcache as much as the current version.

I am stoked my purchases of 2 5800X3D, 5600X3D, and 7800X3D were well timed. The 5700X3D is the only 3D CPU that isn't overpriced or out of production now. Also stoked with how beautifully Zen 3 3D is aging.

Shmee · Oct 9, 2024

So for a TL;DW summary, what is VBS, and is WIndows 11 generally performing better than Windows 10?

marees · Oct 9, 2024

Shmee said:
what is VBS

VBS I think is a new security feature. It probably needs to be enabled if you are playing games that require you to be online. Probably has a larger performance hit on older CPUs.

Ofc, you can take a risk to disable it & still play the game. Otherwise just leave it on. If it is on, the W11 should have better performance than W10

poke01 · Oct 9, 2024

DAPUNISHER said:
5800X3D v. 12900K rematch stat, Steve.

I'd like to see more cache loving titles included too. Some of the tested games like Hogwarts, are memory bandwidth lovers and expose AM4's biggest weakness v. AM5 and 1700. Also expecting the new MS Flight Sim version will favor Vcache as much as the current version.

I am stoked my purchases of 2 5800X3D, 5600X3D, and 7800X3D were well timed. The 5700X3D is the only 3D CPU that isn't overpriced or out of production now. Also stoked with how beautifully Zen 3 3D is aging.

There is no point in buying non-x3D chips anymore for gaming. The only reason I got the 7700X was because I found an excellent deal. My next purchase from AMD will always be a X3D chip unless I get one those crazy deal again on the non-X3D parts.

This video also shows the progress AMD has made since Zen3, my geek mind wants to see Zen5X3D. AMD engineers landed themselves a goldmine with V-Cache.

Seba · Oct 9, 2024

No wonder AMD killed 5800X3D just as Zen 5 was being released.

poke01 · Oct 9, 2024

Seba said:
No wonder AMD killed 5800X3D just as Zen 5 was being released.

Yeah they also killed the 7800X3D too. It’s what Nvidia and Apple do as well stop production of their flagship models, it’s being practical as a business. Otherwise you have the Zen5X3D sitting on shelves as most would go for 7800X3D.

Seba · Oct 9, 2024

Hmm. I haven't closely monitored 7800X3D prices and availability, but I see now that it follows the path of 5800X3D, only much sooner.

I expected this to happen with 5800X3D, but not with 7800X3D (not so soon). This might hurt AM5 platform adoption by gamers at least. Certainly I am less eager to switch to AM5 now.

DAPUNISHER · Oct 9, 2024

If you have Zen 3 3D there is really no reason to upgrade anyways. A big part of the reason it happened so soon is that retail rapture lake sales have been abysmal for good reason. Zen 3D became by far, the best choice. Not only from stability and longevity, but max gaming performance without the need for expensive cooling and boards.

The 5700X3D is a $182 Prime deal here at the moment. And one of the top 3 sellers all week, currently ranked 2. The 5800X3D going away is no big deal. Even at its lowest retail price ever it was a bad value in comparison. Rumored 5500X3D is still MIA.

Seba · Oct 9, 2024

In my post from November 2023 I said that I was thinking about upgrading from Ryzen 5 3600 to either an Ryzen 7 5700X or to an Ryzen 7 5800X3D.

In the meantime the 5800X3D was discontinued and 5700X3D was launched as a replacement. So my choice on AM4 would now be between the same 5700X and the lesser and cheaper (compared with 5800X3D) 5700X3D.

But AM5 Ryzen 5 7600 and 7600X are cheaper than AM4 Ryzen 7 5700X3D. And similar in performance.

So I was thinking to switch to AM5 instead, with an 7600 (or 7600X) and sometime later sell it and then upgrade to 7800X3D (after that gets cheaper). It looks like this is no longer a viable path since 7800X3D goes the way of 5800X3D.

DAPUNISHER · Oct 9, 2024

That makes zero sense to me. If you are already on AM4 then the 5700X3D is a drop in replacement, boom done. AM5 = new CPU, board, ram, not remotely comparable in costs.

Seba · Oct 9, 2024

Keep in mind that I rarely upgrade. I had that 3600 for about 5 years. The plan would be to get something to last another 5 years (for my needs). Of course switching platforms would cost more now, but looks like AM4 will be killed by AMD soon.

Also I can sell the old components and reduce the upgrade cost. Let's say that would cover the AM5 motherboard cost.

5700X3D and 7600(X) being about the same price, the extra cost would be 32GB of DDR5-6000 (about 100 euro here).

I would have to reinstall, which would be an avoidable hassle if I stick with AM4.

DAPUNISHER · Oct 17, 2024

5800X3D is EOL confirming speculation.

https://www.computerbase.de/news/pr...rd-fuer-neukunden-10-prozent-langsamer.89973/

If you want a Zen 3 3D now is the time.

In2Photos · Oct 17, 2024

My son has a 5600X. I wonder if I should bite the bullet and upgrade his or just wait until he really needs an upgrade and do the whole platform. Hmmm.

marees · Oct 17, 2024

In2Photos said:
My son has a 5600X. I wonder if I should bite the bullet and upgrade his or just wait until he really needs an upgrade and do the whole platform. Hmmm.

What is the GPU in that system ? (Are you planning on upgrading that GPU also )

In2Photos · Oct 17, 2024

marees said:
What is the GPU in that system ? (Are you planning on upgrading that GPU also )

A GTX1660 Super right now. Eventually yes it will get upgraded as well. Not sure when exactly.

DAPUNISHER · Oct 17, 2024

In2Photos said:
My son has a 5600X. I wonder if I should bite the bullet and upgrade his or just wait until he really needs an upgrade and do the whole platform. Hmmm.

Platinum Micro has it for $189.85 on Newegg marketplace. Sell the 5600X and it is the best bang for buck upgrade with the least effort involved. The 3D will also hold value much better.

Link - https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-7-...ket-am4/p/N82E16819113812?Item=9SIA2W0KBA4124

In2Photos · Oct 17, 2024

DAPUNISHER said:
Platinum Micro has it for $189.85 on Newegg marketplace. Sell the 5600X and it is the best bang for buck upgrade with the least effort involved. The 3D will also hold value much better.

Link - https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-7-...ket-am4/p/N82E16819113812?Item=9SIA2W0KBA4124

Microcenter has it for $180 so I'd probably grab it there if I do it.

Seba · Oct 17, 2024

Upgrade the graphics card first.

DAPUNISHER · Oct 17, 2024

Seba said:
Upgrade the graphics card first.

That's the traditional advice, but in this case there are extenuating circumstances. Not going to be facing scalper prices on vid cards again anytime soon. No reason not to wait for the right hot deal on one. The 5700X3D supply OTOH will dry up and that'll be the that. Clock is ticking on good pricing.

I see quite a few comments of people doing the coulda woulda shoulda over missing the 5800X3D and 7800X3D when prices were at the lowest.

DAPUNISHER · Oct 17, 2024

Most reviews show the 5600X and 5700X as nearly equal in gaming. Having used a 5800X and 5600X there are situation where the 8 core makes a difference. Spiderman games and Gotham Knights, all using RT, are prime examples.

U.K Steve just uploaded a vid of 5700x v. 3D. When the cache makes a difference, it's massive. 25-30% for averages and 1% lows in cyberpunk, RDR2, Baldur's Gate 3, Kingdom Come Deliverance.

Seba · Oct 17, 2024

He is using a 4080 Super in that video. And even then the differences between 5700X and 5700X3D are not impressive.

With a 1660 Super probably there won't be any gain in games from replacing a 5600X with a 5700X3D.

On the other hand, replacing that GTX 1660 Super even with a RTX 3060 or RX 7600 would be a big performance increase in games.

DAPUNISHER · Oct 17, 2024

Seba said:
He is using a 4080 Super in that video. And even then the differences between 5700X and 5700X3D are not impressive.

With a 1660 Super probably there won't be any gain in games from replacing a 5600X with a 5700X3D.

On the other hand, replacing that 1660 Super even with a 3060 or 7600 would be a big performance increase in games.

Those cards just keep getting cheaper and cheaper, so waiting = profit. Miss the window on the 5700X3D and the price will spike making it a poor value. What part of that is confusing you?

Oh, and I assure you from experience, there are CPU heavy games where a 3D will make a smoother gaming experience than vanilla even with a weak GPU. Anyone that plays the games with both will be able to tell without the need for performance monitoring software.

In2Photos · Oct 17, 2024

Looking around on eBay I see 5600X listed for like $100-$150. Seriously? Looking at listings that have sold recently they are $85-$125.

Seba · Oct 17, 2024

Have you used a 1660 Super with an 5700X3D or with an 5800X3D?

If not, then what experience (relevant to this situation) are you talking about?

From his vague statement about not knowing when he would upgrade the graphics card, I got the impression that he is thinking at some not so close future (1 year or more maybe). If that's the case, a CPU upgrade now would be a waste of money for games.

A RX 7600 would bring at least 50% higher frame rates, for a similar price a 5700X3D would cost (which probably won't bring any improvement with that 1660 Super).

LE:
In fact he could test himself that 1660 Super with the 7700 he has in other PC (from his signature) to get a rough idea.

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