I am not certain. The rumour mill is foggy.
8 Gen 4
8s Gen 4
8 Elite
8 Ultra
8 Extreme Edition
I am not certain. The rumour mill is foggy.There are rumors that Snap 8 Gen Elite would use Oryon cores and be expensive while there would be a cheaper Snap 8 Gen 4 using stock Arm Cores and effectively replace the 8GxS.
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All chips of this generation
Qualcomm：Snapdragon 8 Elite（Decap Over）
MediaTek：Dimensity 9400（Decaping）
Apple：A18/A18Pro（Buying/Decap Over）
Huawei：New Kirin（Wait to buy after release
AMD：Zen5（Over）
Intel：Arrow lake（Decap Over Waiting release）
It's strange that he already has a device with a new chip. It must have been made again for a review by Geekerwan.Kurnal supposedly has already taken the die shot of Snapdragon 8 Gen 4;
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He said the die shot of 8 Gen 4 will be released at the end of this month.
Doubtful. But Geekerwan did sponsor Kurnal's X Elite die shot. That die shot is supposed to debut in Geekerwan'a X Elite analysis video. That video is said to drop after their Lunar Lake analysis video, so I am expecting it this month.It's strange that he already has a device with a new chip. It must have been made again for a review by Geekerwan.
I am still more concerned about battery life, software support period and price.[Geekerwan: Dimensity 9400 video]
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Heh... we'll see about that 2 weeks later when 8 Gen 4 launches
Plot twist: is real Single core wise, but multi core is Qualcomm the king.[Geekerwan: Dimensity 9400 video]
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Heh... we'll see about that 2 weeks later when 8 Gen 4 launches
The main thing is not to become the king of peak power consumption, which, given the X Elite, can be.Plot twist: is real Single core wise, but multi core is Qualcomm the king.
According to rumor,
the 8 Gen4's power draw exceeds 20W,
and its temperature reaches 98.5°C / 209.5°F
Original source: https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9212694892?prev=frs&source=atieba.baidu.com-bfrs-c282957-d-e0#/Translation :
[Guys, with a clock rate of 4.0, no matter how much I limit it, I can still push it up to 97 degrees.I took my hands off for a bit, and I found out that this is even more intense than the 888. After turning it on, it already exceeded 20W, and now there’s no way
Honestly who cares what the MT power is for the most part at peak. Just show me the individual core curves on a phone especially.Rumour: Power consumption of 8 Gen 4 exceeds 20W
Original source: https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9212694892?prev=frs&source=atieba.baidu.com-bfrs-c282957-d-e0#/
I wouldn't be surprised if this is true. 8 Gen 4 hits 10000 points in Geekbench 6.
X Elite hits 15000 points in Geekbench 6 and needs 80W to do so.
If it does consume 20W then that’s an easy chart topper. The M3 consumed around 20-25W lol.“20W” is basically clickbait in this case, most likely the thing will still be pretty efficient relative to the 8 Gen 3 iso-performance in the real world.
It turns out I was right🤣Rumour: Power consumption of 8 Gen 4 exceeds 20W
Original source: https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9212694892?prev=frs&source=atieba.baidu.com-bfrs-c282957-d-e0#/
I wouldn't be surprised if this is true. 8 Gen 4 hits 10000 points in Geekbench 6.
X Elite hits 15000 points in Geekbench 6 and needs 80W to do so.
I’m just saying you won’t get to 20W mobo only on a phone anyway in 99.5% of circumstances and we want to see a full curve.If it does consume 20W then that’s an easy chart topper. The M3 consumed around 20-25W lol.
Even the MTK 9400 pulls 18.4W to get max performance (caveat at 10pct less perf it draws 50pct less power).
As a comparison of the 9400 to the A18 Pro, the A18P consumes around 12-13W at max performance. 33% less power draw and performs similarly in MT.
Agreed. Won’t have to wait too much longer.I’m just saying you won’t get to 20W mobo only on a phone anyway in 99.5% of circumstances and we want to see a full curve.
The area of Dimensity 9400 is within 135? That’s too conservative, around 125! The overall layout is still the 9300 style. The high-frequency memory benefits from the new memory particles. A brand new power strategy has also been added? I also took a good look at 8g4. The GPU scale remains unchanged, but a large number of L2s have been added. With n3e and high-frequency memory, there can be an improvement of about 30. In the middle is 8g4, which only frames a single core without shared L2. It looks small, but it has a full performance library. At the same time, the daily experience of 6 large cores in a cluster will not be affected. The area of the two chips is also close. Qualcomm’s CPU peak will be very high, and the GPU is considered to be a regular 30% improvement. Dimensity is very balanced, and a large number of details use mixed libraries.
They’ve been shilling pretty hard lately for Samsung tbh. And iirc, same with Qualcomm saying that the S8G4 beats the A18 Pro in every single metric, which clearly it doesn’t in single core.The cat said it:
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I'd wait for the retail units here before jumping to a conclusion. That the SoC can pull an unthrottled 20W might be more of a hint that it could also be implemented in much less thermal constrained laptop implementations...They’ve been shilling pretty hard lately for Samsung tbh. And iirc, same with Qualcomm saying that the S8G4 beats the A18 Pro in every single metric, which clearly it doesn’t in single core.
Honestly, though I hope they are right about the power draw. But based on the X Elite power figures; it seems possible that it will still consume a decent amount of power.
A censored shot:Preview of the Die Shots
A18 Pro: 110 mm^2
8 Elite: 125-130 mm^2
9400: 125-130 mm^2
GPU Cluster in Green. CPU Cluster in Red. P-Core is the Solid Red Block.
Comments say:
A18 Pro P-Core: 2.9 mm^2 (2MB of L2)
8 Elite P-Core: 2.1 mm^2 (No L2)
9400 P-Core: 3.2 mm^2
A18 Pro CPU Cluster: 21 mm^2 (18 mm^2 without SME)
8 Elite CPU Cluster: 22 mm^2
9400 CPU Cluster: 22 mm^2
A18 Pro GPU Cluster: 21 mm^2
8 Elite GPU Cluster: 23 mm^2
9400 GPU Cluster: 22 mm^2
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I'd wait for the holy grail- Geekerwan's review.I'd wait for the retail units here before jumping to a conclusion.
Surely, that's a typo? It can't be including the L2.A18 Pro P-Core: 2.9 mm^2 (2MB of L2)
I'd wait for the holy grail- Geekerwan's review.
Surely, that's a typo? It can't be including the L2.
I measured the M4's P-core to be about 3 mm² (without L2), so 2.9 mm² sounds about right for the A18's P-core. They both have the same P-core, but the one in A18 uses denser libraries, hence why it clocks lower, and is a tad smaller in size.