Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

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Joe NYC

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5.2 GHz all core for the 9800X3D. Gaming at 5.3 to 5.4 GHz would be a 6% to 8% higher frequency as the 7800X3D.

So possibly a 10% higher gaming performance as the 7800X3D.



The all core boost for the 7800X3D is ~4.8 GHz here:



10% is a lot on a bar chart.

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I wonder what the official boost clock will be.

5.2 GHz while running all cores loaded with Cinebench is very good, but boost clock typically apply to 1 or 2 cores.
 

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What's funny is that Embree is Intel developed!

Thanks, Intel, for helping your competitor post awesome scores
Well, if you start counting AMD owns a lot of its success to Intel when it comes to benchmarks wins. Or other open source projects. But it's high time they start to up their own software game too, instead of hoping somebody else will help their chips shine...
 
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Josh128

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Really strange they have gone with this low clockspeed

Wasn't needed with more after seeing AR i guess (?)🤷‍♀️
Lots left in in tank for us overclockers atleast
Why would you say that? Even standard 9700X only all cores to 5.25 GHz with PBO or the new 105W mode enabled. Zero people (even delusional fanatics) expect it to clock higher than standard 9700X.

Assuming stock all core in R23 hits 5.2GHz:

5.4GHz ST boost is expected.
5.5GHz ST boost would be the first actually positive surprise of the entire Zen 5 client lineup.
5.3GHz ST boost would be disappointing
5.2GHz ST boost would guarantee low sales at the price they will likely sell it.

Will we be disappointed or not?

 
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Josh128

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As long as it shows a meaning improvement in games, and that’s the main thing here. I think it will otherwise AMD won’t release it this early


Yes, but AMD marketing is so incompetent, I could see them allowing a "leak" of a high all core load @5.2GHz, when in reality, the actual ST boost will be limited to the same. Logically, based on 7800X3D behavior, one would assume at least +200MHz ST boost over all core. That is a perfectly reasonable expectation to come to no? So when this inevitably launches with a ST boost of the same 5.2GHz or maybe 5.3GHz, that is disappointing, regardless of the gaming perf. It would be disappointing PRECISELY because of this very leak, not anything else. Ya feel me?
 
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Logically, based on 7800X3D behavior, one would assume at least +200MHz ST boost over all core. That is a perfectly reasonable expectation to come to no? So when this inevitably launches with a ST boost of the same 5.2GHz or maybe 5.3GHz, that is disappointing, regardless of the gaming perf. It would be disappointing PRECISELY because of this very leak, not anything else. Ya feel me?
Let's just wait, shall we? What's the point of being afraid of getting disappointment or getting worked up about it, before the ACTUAL disappointment?
 
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Josh128

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Well this is the speculation thread, so why not speculate? So we have two leaks now. First one was about a week ago claiming 2145/23315 on R23. Now we have this one claiming all core 5.2GHz in R23. Both leaks compliment each other, and we know a 5.4GHz rated 9600X boosts to 5.45GHz and scores 2163 ST in R23 per the YT link below. 2163 is 0.84% greater than 2145. So margin of error, or 25-50 MHz difference, assuming the IPC is the same in this workload between Zen 5 and Zen 5 X3D (which is assumed).

So if CodeCommando's leak is real and not an OC, ST boost clock is definitely around 5.4GHz. I assume AMDs marketing lets these guys (or directs them, actually) when and what to leak. Thats why I say, based on that, a less than 5.4GHz boost will be a let down -- because of the expectations AMDs marketing gimmicks have already set.



 

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(Updated) CodeCommando's leak:

The 9800X3D runs here at ~5.25 GHz all core with PBO: Cinebench R23 MT = 23315
The 9800X3D runs here at ~5.40 GHz on a single core: Cinebench R23 ST = 2145

The 9950X3D runs here at ~5.60 GHz on a single core: Cinebench R23 ST = 2245




We can derive this from the JayzTwoCents video above taking into account that Cinebench R23 do not depend on the L3 cache size.

Orange line:
9700X PBO on: Cinebench R23 MT = 23325, at 5.25 GHz


Green line:
9700X PBO off: Cinebench R23 MT = 20352, st 4.55 GHz




(Jay estimates the frequencies from this graph a bit to high in the video)



The 9700X has a max boost clock of 5.5 GHz. assuming that it runs at 5.5 GHz during de ST test:

9700X PBO on: Cinebench R23 MT = 2197
9700X PBO off: Cinebench R23 MT = 2187

CodeCommando's leak:

9800X3D: Cinebench R23 MT = 2145 = ~5.4 GHz
9950X3D: Cinebench R23 MT = 2245 = ~5.6 GHz

 

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Would not fully trust these slides.. Kinda seems like MSI really wanted the 285k to win

They are ballpark right but the X3D results are alittle on the lowside compared to what i have ran myself

You got 9000x3d parts? Why would you be posting leaks when you can just straight up tell us what to expect from the new parts! Like for example…does it gain double digits gaming performance compared to 7000x3d? Just say yes or no but close then we get the idea XD
 

Josh128

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So MSI's numbers are "CodeCommandos" numbers, exactly. Im zeroing in on FC6, the 13% gains shown there kind of match the gains shown by Guru3ds testing of 9700X vs 7950X.
It seems this game takes advantage of Zen 5 uplifts vs Zen 4 rather than any frequency increase.
So either frequency doesnt mean much here or 9800X3D was running at similar freq to 7800X3D.

 
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