Ugh, the list consists of the good ol' Oracle, IBM, MS, VMware, and SAP (which allows memory-based licensing).Enough. Ask chatGPT and you will get a good long list.
I agree i'm still on Zen 3 so I will be going to Zen 5. People that are only a gen behind do not need to upgrade. I'm also going to sit on my GPU until RDNA 5.I don’t think users on Zen4 need to upgrade anyway to any Zen5 product for gaming.
Same for GPU, the latest RDNA3 and Lovelace cards with 12GB+ VRAM are enough for the next few years. I won’t be upgrading till Zen6 and UDNA2/RTX 6000 release. By then we should be N3E/P or even N2.
PC hardware for gaming is stagnant now and every best PC component right now is enough for the next 4-5 years anyway. The games are made for Zen2 hardware, so until the PS6 comes there’s really no point to upgrading in a sustainable sense.
If they got OEM deals though then they could increase supply and cater to that market too. Wafers are not in short supply.OEM desktop PC for office use like Dell, HP, that dont even use discrete GPUs also far outnumber DIY desktop. This is why AMD doesnt even care about dropping desktop pricing too much, they will just reallocate the silicon to EPYC and have more volume there.
You kinda missed the boat on the 5800X3D very hard to find now.I'm Zen3 but will stay so for a while.
Maybe 5600X ---> 5800X3D. Maybe.
The 5700X3D is a lot easier to find but the loss of frequency is huge IMO.
Maybe Zen6.
I have been building home computers since the late 80's (yeah, I am old). I try to get in on a new platform in the beginning, then upgrade the processor 2 or 3 generations later, then keep the system until it gets obsolete.I'm Zen3 but will stay so for a while.
Maybe 5600X ---> 5800X3D. Maybe.
The 5700X3D is a lot easier to find but the loss of frequency is huge IMO.
Maybe Zen6.
Yeah, figured. But the price asked at the time was too steep to me.You kinda missed the boat on the 5800X3D very hard to find now.
5700X3D only option currently.
I know a few that build like this and its fine. However if you wait too late you start to miss the purchase window on some of the products. Example above anyone looking to go 5800X3D really needed to buy that cpu in 2022-early 2024. Same thing when I started my AM4 build I built with 16GB of B-die memory but I also knew if I waited too long the ram modules would be very hard to find or crazy expensive so a year later I got two more and fill the slots on my board. You kinda have to preplan and keep an eye on whats going on in the market or you end up in these situation where you waited to late and have to rely on ebay which I avoid like a plague.I have been building home computers since the late 80's (yeah, I am old). I try to get in on a new platform in the beginning, then upgrade the processor 2 or 3 generations later, then keep the system until it gets obsolete.
Jumped on the AM4 bandwagon with a Ryzen 1 (I think) (4 core). A year or two ago upgraded to a Zen 3 six core (which I am typing this on). I will likely wait for AM6 to build again. Used to give my older computer to kids, but now my kids are all out of the house and wife uses her phone for everything so the parts that can be carried over in this computer will likely be used for the new build and the rest put in the garbage
Very true. You have to watch for when the processor you want reaches its best price point BUT before supply dries up!I know a few that build like this and its fine. However if you wait too late you start to miss the purchase window on some of the products. Example above anyone looking to go 5800X3D really needed to buy that cpu in 2022-early 2024. Same thing when I started my AM4 build I built with 16GB of B-die memory but I also knew if I waited too long the ram modules would be very hard to find or crazy expensive so a year later I got two more and fill the slots on my board. You kinda have to preplan and keep an eye on whats going on in the market or you end up in these situation where you waited to late and have to rely on ebay which I avoid like a plague.
What about lightly threaded work?Looking more closely at 9800X3D R23 score, full 5.5GHz boost seems completely ruled out, 5.4GHz is less likely, and 5.3GHz seems like it will be the listed frequency, with fmax of maybe 5.35. IF they choose to list a max boost of 5.4 on the box, I wouldnt be surprised if fmax is still just 5.35, kind of like how 5800X3D is listed as 4.5GHz but in reality only hits 4.45.
This gen continues to disappoint.
Based on the R23 ST score of 2145. That appears to be around 5.35-5.375 GHz.What about lightly threaded work?
9700X
If the 9800X3D can run 5.4 or 5.5Ghz in low thread scenarios then it will probably be 10-15% faster than the 7800X3D.
So, to summarize ... Zen 5, desktop is WAY better on avx-512 stuff and a little faster on normal. Zen 5 server absolutely demolishes any competition and is 10-50% faster. Zen 5 9000x3d chips will most likely be the fastest gaming cpus on the planet.This gen continues to disappoint.
As usual with AMD CPUs it depends on the workload. But here's my 5800X3D at stock doing >4.5GHz in 1T and >4.4GHz MT workload:5800X3D is listed as 4.5GHz but in reality only hits 4.45
Its matter of perspective obviously. For people in possesion of Zen4 desktop CPUs, i mean the utter majority with little to no use for AVX-512, its hardly "a winner generation".But Zen 5 disappoints ? You need to wake up and smell the roses. Its a winner generation. Not every generation can be 30% or more faster, that's fantasyland.
I have 8 Zen 4 desktops. It faster than those, takes less power and runs cooler, so in my opinion, even the desktop it is still a winner.Its matter of perspective obviously. For people in possesion of Zen4 desktop CPUs, i mean the utter majority with little to no use for AVX-512, its hardly "a winner generation".
EDIT: In fact, after last 3 generations, its the first one, that is not.
the point is it's okay to be disappointed in the performance (most of us are; and let's be honest, 9800X3D will most likely be 7800X3D + 10%), but the specs not matching the extrapolated figures being the reason for disappointment is quite strange.Well, lets just hope Im wrong then. I really do want to upgrade soon, maybe after the ARL reviews and X3D official announce I'll know enough to figure out what to go with.
It is always about where the product is within the competitive landscape. If AMD had thought that Intel had a big winner on its hands with Arrow Lake, it would have gone with N3E for Zen 5 and added considerable resources to the processor to raise performance.Its matter of perspective obviously. For people in possesion of Zen4 desktop CPUs, i mean the utter majority with little to no use for AVX-512, its hardly "a winner generation".
EDIT: In fact, after last 3 generations, its the first one, that is not.
Yea, we enthusiast are always disappointed in the gains, especially when we have built up expectations based on specs that end up having mitigating circumstances that bring the over-all performance in well behind our musings.the point is it's okay to be disappointed in the performance (most of us are; and let's be honest, 9800X3D will most likely be 7800X3D + 10%), but the specs not matching the extrapolated figures being the reason for disappointment is quite strange.
It's not like the IHV advertised certain specs and then went back on its word.
IIRC AMD never advertised max boost as the sustained frequency for all core workloads. And 5800X3D does hit clocks close to Fmax in 3T-4T workloadsLooking more closely at 9800X3D R23 score, full 5.5GHz boost seems completely ruled out, 5.4GHz is less likely, and 5.3GHz seems like it will be the listed frequency, with fmax of maybe 5.35. IF they choose to list a max boost of 5.4 on the box, I wouldnt be surprised if fmax is still just 5.35, kind of like how 5800X3D is listed as 4.5GHz but in reality only hits 4.45.
It is only in thin and light that Lunar Lake has presented AMD with a beating.
IIRC AMD never advertised max boost as the sustained frequency for all core workloads. And 5800X3D does hit clocks close to Fmax in 3T-4T workloads
N3E is not yet available yet. Only Apple has N3E coming on their M4 chip later this year. I think Zen 5 Turin is running standard N3 but later versions are supposed to be on N3E. I could be wrong but Apple is 1st in line to get the cutting edge silicon from TSMC.It is always about where the product is within the competitive landscape. If AMD had thought that Intel had a big winner on its hands with Arrow Lake, it would have gone with N3E for Zen 5 and added considerable resources to the processor to raise performance.
Instead, AMD bet (and won I believe) that Intel would be unable to eclipse Zen 5 on N4P even utilizing N3E.
Zen 5 for Turin has turned in great figures besting (sometimes by quite a lot) Intel's brand new GNR. Zen 5 X3D will be the dominant gaming processor this generation.
It is only in thin and light that Lunar Lake has presented AMD with a beating. This is 30-40% of the laptop market. I believe AMD's desktop replacement laptop parts for Zen 5 will fare quite well compared to their Arrow Lake competition (we will soon see).
Overall, I think ZEN 5 has AMD smiling all the way to the bank for another year at least.
Yea, we enthusiast are always disappointed in the gains, especially when we have built up expectations based on specs that end up having mitigating circumstances that bring the over-all performance in well behind our musings.
N3E is not yet available yet. Only Apple has N3E coming on their M4 chip later this year. I think Zen 5 Turin is running standard N3 but later versions are supposed to be on N3E. I could be wrong but Apple is 1st in line to get the cutting edge silicon from TSMC.