Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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akugami

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That's just sick.

Anyone supporting Russia's invasion of is a traitor to humanity and common human decency. Always remember republicans would rather be Russians than democrats. Republicans, and Trump, support Russia in perpetrating this sick demented shit.
 

cytg111

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They're creating forever hate. Aside from the whole war crime thing its so super stupid, suppose Russia wins the war, there will be an endless stream of resistance/terror groups that walk talk and act just like their targets... Its not like radical Islamist Jihad or something... They gonna blend right in until it goes boom.
There will never be a normalization between Ukraine and Russia again. Think nazi germany, the Fuhrer has to die and the country capitulate.
 

trenchfoot

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They're creating forever hate. Aside from the whole war crime thing its so super stupid, suppose Russia wins the war, there will be an endless stream of resistance/terror groups that walk talk and act just like their targets... Its not like radical Islamist Jihad or something... They gonna blend right in until it goes boom.
There will never be a normalization between Ukraine and Russia again. Think nazi germany, the Fuhrer has to die and the country capitulate.

Takes some real nasty brain fucking to think this method of murdering innocents is what, a patriotic thing to do? Something to be proud of? Something worth getting notoriety over? Something that helps Putin's reputation as a world class leader? Can't see the upside to this at all.
 

trenchfoot

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If that's the case, they've got a really long turnaround on updates to their script. He's been flogging that drum since the war started and he's never brought anything fresh.

Probably using that old Republican ploy of "saying things often enough and it will eventually become the truth" shtick. Weak watery sauce poured on the truth and facts to sour its flavor just don't cut it here yet there he is, living proof of that well known definition of insanity.
 
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trenchfoot

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As far as Putin is concerned, there's this bottomless pit of meat and metal with which to plow the Ukrainians under its own soil because for him it's either having that done or being killled by the very same methods he's relied on to get rid of his own enemies.
 

lucky luciano

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Seems like that rumor of a UKR F-16 dropping a russian bomber has fizzled out. The War Zone have nothing on it and they're usually quick to post on anything plausible.
 

K1052

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Seems like that rumor of a UKR F-16 dropping a russian bomber has fizzled out. The War Zone have nothing on it and they're usually quick to post on anything plausible.

There is a lack of specific info to either prove or disprove it. For operational reasons I'm sure the Ukrainians would not want to say either way right now.
 

you2

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Fiscally and demographically this war is an incredible self inflicted disaster for Russia and keeping it going just makes it worse.
Yea and all of these posts ignore that fact that over 100,000 ukraines have to suffer from this bullshit. At the end of the day i could care less what Russians do to Russians. If they want to throw away 2.7 million russian lives fine - let them die. But what about the Ukraines who did not initiate this unprovoked war.
 
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K1052

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Yea and all of these posts ignore that fact that over 100,000 ukraines have to suffer from this bullshit. At the end of the day i could care less what Russians do to Russians. If they want to throw away 2.7 million russian lives fine - let them die. But what about the Ukraines who did not initiate this unprovoked war.

Ukraine is certainly suffering in the war, beyond a doubt. But there is little to be done about that since they are in an existential fight for their nation and culture. I have continually advocated that we supply them with the most efficient munitions and arms for turning the Soviet horde into worm food.
 

Perknose

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I have continually advocated that we supply them with the most efficient munitions and arms for turning the Soviet horde into worm food.
I wish I better understood why we don't.
 

K1052

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I wish I better understood why we don't.

We eventually have given them much of this but always way later than we should have. For example would have given them DPICM shells and rockets in the first packages we sent which would have inflicted giant losses on the Russians. We also should not have told the Russians this stuff is coming.
 

fskimospy

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I wish I better understood why we don't.
I think the general fear is that Russia collapses or that at least Putin's regime is threatened with collapse because then Russia will become unpredictable/unstable. That being said, I can't see a situation where Russia comes to the bargaining table for a real deal except when they are threatened with collapse so that seems baked in.

I get that Biden/Ukraine can't disclose their actual bargaining positions because...well...duh, but I do wish I had a stronger sense of what the preferred end game is here.
 

K1052

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I think the general fear is that Russia collapses or that at least Putin's regime is threatened with collapse because then Russia will become unpredictable/unstable. That being said, I can't see a situation where Russia comes to the bargaining table for a real deal except when they are threatened with collapse so that seems baked in.

I get that Biden/Ukraine can't disclose their actual bargaining positions because...well...duh, but I do wish I had a stronger sense of what the preferred end game is here.

Putin seriously entertained the use of tactical nuclear weapons early in the war when they were confronted with multiple simultaneous major setbacks and so escalation management has been at the front of mind ever since. Probably to the detriment of producing an actual result that would cause the war to end instead of the ongoing battle of attrition we are stuck with.
 
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fskimospy

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Putin seriously entertained the use of tactical nuclear weapons early in the war when they were confronted with multiple simultaneous major setbacks and so escalation management has been at the front of mind ever since. Probably to the detriment of producing an actual result that would cause the war to end instead of the ongoing battle of attrition we are stuck with.
Yes. My issue is if they don't want Ukraine to lose (good!) and don't want Russia to use nukes (good!) what is the plan for ending the conflict? Is it to just wait until the Russian army/economy are so depleted they can no longer continue? That might work, but again I don't see how that necessarily takes us away from the scenario where either Russia or Putin's regime collapse.
 

cytg111

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And NK literally declaring war on Ukraine as well surely alters the equation... What would a combined RU/NK win look like post war? I am sure noone wants to deal with that...Other regimes might be emboldened to commit to the cause.
Gotta snuff it out here, now.
 

trenchfoot

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It's terrifying to think that if Trump wins, he will wield his influence to dismantle NATO or at least cripple it enough to make his handler in the Kremlin crack a momentary sneery smirk on his face. Trump and the supporters he's persuaded to become Putin admirers really is Putin's knife being held at NATO's throat.

I just wonder at what point in Ukraine's struggle to keep it's existence as an independent democratically run nation will the USA hand over to Zelenskyy the tools he needs to push Putin's murderous concrete crushing looters back over the border. In this regard I'm hoping at this time there are hundreds of AFU personnel in NATO member nations being discreetly trained to operate the latest and greatest of what we have to offer Ukraine in the way of weaponry without revealing to the Russians the tech that makes our stuff a whole lot better than theirs. I really hope we don't end up in a "too little too late" scenario in this regard.

It breaks my heart to see the AFU take the blows it's been getting and still retain the resolve to fight on for as long as it takes to win. It's like having a relative in ICU struggling to survive while the doctors are dilly-dallying with their life saving resources without any explanation as to why they're behaving that way.
 
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"I just wonder at what point in Ukraine's struggle to keep it's existence as an independent democratically run nation will the USA hand over to Zelenskyy the tools he needs to push Putin's murderous concrete crushing looters back over the border. "


If the Orange Turd manages to pull it off, expect Joe to open the vaults before the end of January.
 

Jaskalas

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German take, Russia's preparations extend far beyond Ukraine. Russia prepares for war with NATO.

German intelligence agencies unanimously warn of a rise in aggressive actions by Russians on the territory of the country. Bruno Kahl, the head of Germany’s foreign intelligence, stated that the Kremlin is preparing for military actions against NATO.“
The Kremlin views Germany as the enemy,” he said.
Kahl also noted that Putin is interested not only in Ukraine but also “in creating his new world order.”

 

Jaskalas

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I just wonder at what point in Ukraine's struggle to keep it's existence as an independent democratically run nation will the USA hand over to Zelenskyy the tools he needs to push Putin's murderous concrete crushing looters back over the border.
There are no such tools or magic answers.
It takes a large and superior military force to engage the Russians directly.
Without the United States, there is no such army.
 
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kage69

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lol

Biden told Putin to settle down or it's his ass, and Putin listened. Biden will meet people who disagree with him, Putin hides.

Speaking of fear though

"Vladimir Putin lives in fear. He knows that the Russian people would never choose him if they had a free choice, so he holds fake elections, hoping to disguise his weakness. It is the same fear that prevented him from saying Alexei Navalny’s name, even as Navalny crusaded against Putin’s corruption and led rallies of thousands. Why does Putin fear Navalny so much that he still cannot mention his name, even after he had him killed in prison? The answer goes well beyond personal animosities and reveals Putin’s deep anxiety toward his own people.

Just compare the style of the two politicians. Putin probably has not seen a real Russian in about fifteen years; he usually meets with special-services agents dressed up as everyday people and carefully selected loyalists to avoid unpleasant questions about the reality of Russian life. Navalny, during his multiple political campaigns and regional tours, in contrast showed deep affection for meeting ordinary people and even answering unpleasant questions. In fact, he took delight in the latter, seeing it as an opportunity to convince people with his arguments through lively conversation. There’s nothing more effective in disproving propaganda than meeting people face-to-face. Unlike Putin, Navalny was an open, fearless politician."


The truth hurts; Russians know it and we know it.

I mean it's natural to be afraid when the commander of the most powerful military on earth promises your immediate death should you start a nuclear conflict. A tyrant with short man syndrome being afraid of his own people, or the name of someone he had murdered? Well that's just sad. What's next, being too chickenshit to hold a census?
 
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