That side of the biz is above my pay grade. But my down in the trenches evaluation is that it's a scalper problem. Amazon is all 3rd party for the Zen 4 3D line up.
That side of the biz is above my pay grade. But my down in the trenches evaluation is that it's a scalper problem. Amazon is all 3rd party for the Zen 4 3D line up.I agree that Intel's raptor lake bed soiling probably spiked X3D demand a bit but I suspect some of this is scarcity on the supply side with Zen 5 X3D production in full swing. I don't see any incentive to keep zen 4 in production moving forward with it being on the same node as Zen 5.
JayzTwoCents never bashes new products, that’s just not his style of content.Surprisingly, looks like Aussie Steve is going to be on all fours right next to J. He says he won't roast arrow the way he did Zen 5 because Intel didn't hype it up. WTF M8? So as long as a company says our product is mid they get a free pass? What sort of nonsense is that? Did everyone go deep on INTC when it went below $19?
Rapture lake has disrupted the CPU market through its abject failures. As I posit that the reason 3D CPUs besides the 5700X3D are so expensive and in such short supply, is demand spiked due to how many of the burned rapture owners are moving over. Compounded by how many new build shoppers have scratched it off the list. Intel says it's completely fixed. Yes indeed, they have been so honest and forthcoming the last couple of years, we should definitely consider it case closed. They also have my complete certitude that mobile variants are not affected.
JayzTwoCents never bashes new products, that’s just not his style of content.
HUB Steve will end up giving it a negative review based on its performance. He’s not going to go against the sentiment of his audience. It will probably seem like less criticism than what he gave Zen 5 but that was because he spent half the time attacking their marketing material.
There’s also GN Steve who will definitely criticize Arrow Lake.
Review day for Arrow Lake will be apoplectic.
Hopefully the firmware is ready and doesn’t need a couple of AESGA updates to get it working as it have should say day 1.Especially, since AMD decided to prank all of them by releasing 9800x3d day after the Arrow Lake embargo end. October 24th and 25th.
Aussie Steve told MLID in so many words, when he was on the podcast, that he would not be as harsh to arrow as he was to Zen 5. He predicted he and some other reviewers he knew would get griefed for it (he's right). HUB is a PC gaming channel so I do fully expect he will ding it for not being faster than 14900K by an appreciable margin.
The chaotic market will make recommendations complex. Obviously the best advice is wait for price, performance, and availability of Zen 5 3D. But the standard no brainer buy the 7800X3D is currently anything but. Its big bros are not good values at the moment either. It will be popcorn and lawn chair time for me as I wait to see which reviewers throw raptor right back into the mix of recommendations. And if they attach an asterisk or go tell you to accept Intel's trust me bro.
That wasn't my impression. It seemed he was in disbelief that it was going to be a single generation socket.Weird part of that interview is that Steve does not consider Arrow Lake being only a single generation platform to be a problem. Explanation of why it is not a problem for Arrow Lake was word salad and gibberish.
I am talking about his interview on MLID. When he said that he is not going to hold it against Arrow Lake to be only a single generation platform.That wasn't my impression. It seemed he was in disbelief that it was going to be a single generation socket.
Pricing will be the determining factor. Price it too high when performance is the same as last Gen and nobody will buy it. They'll either keep what they have or go AMD.Aussie Steve told MLID in so many words, when he was on the podcast, that he would not be as harsh to arrow as he was to Zen 5. He predicted he and some other reviewers he knew would get griefed for it (he's right). HUB is a PC gaming channel so I do fully expect he will ding it for not being faster than 14900K by an appreciable margin.
The chaotic market will make recommendations complex. Obviously the best advice is wait for price, performance, and availability of Zen 5 3D. But the standard no brainer buy the 7800X3D is currently anything but. Its big bros are not good values at the moment either. It will be popcorn and lawn chair time for me as I wait to see which reviewers throw raptor right back into the mix of recommendations. And if they attach an asterisk or go tell you to accept Intel's trust me bro.
Is that confirmed or at least a very solid date for 9800X3D?Especially, since AMD decided to prank all of them by releasing 9800x3d day after the Arrow Lake embargo end. October 24th and 25th.
Is that confirmed or at least a very solid date for 9800X3D?
I hope Arrow Lake is competitive and priced right or else I may have trouble getting a 9800X3D on release day with both the AMD and the soon to be former Intel crowd swarming the store.Not by AMD, just various leaks. Announcement on Oct 25, availability no November 7.
The Intel arrow lake reviews should be one liner: don’t get this unless you are a creator or on raptor lake, everyone else should wait for Nova Lake.
It also comes down to pricing. You might be willing to pay 30% premium for 20% extra performance. But not 20% for 5%.Aussie Steve told MLID in so many words, when he was on the podcast, that he would not be as harsh to arrow as he was to Zen 5. He predicted he and some other reviewers he knew would get griefed for it (he's right). HUB is a PC gaming channel so I do fully expect he will ding it for not being faster than 14900K by an appreciable margin.
The chaotic market will make recommendations complex. Obviously the best advice is wait for price, performance, and availability of Zen 5 3D. But the standard no brainer buy the 7800X3D is currently anything but. Its big bros are not good values at the moment either. It will be popcorn and lawn chair time for me as I wait to see which reviewers throw raptor right back into the mix of recommendations. And if they attach an asterisk or go tell you to accept Intel's trust me bro.
You get it. That's why I quipped about the INTC shares.Weird part of that interview is that Steve does not consider Arrow Lake being only a single generation platform to be a problem. Explanation of why it is not a problem for Arrow Lake was word salad and gibberish.
That's why I quipped about the INTC shares.
Yeah man, Zen 5 sales bear that out. I see the discounted price, mitigations, and 5yr warranty have the 14900K breaking back into the top 10 on Amazon. AMD not having AM5 3D CPUs available at a competitive price is doing retailers with dust collecting raptor stock a solid.It also comes down to pricing. You might be willing to pay 30% premium for 20% extra performance. But not 20% for 5%.
I don't know bro; I can see a good argument for why they would. I have stated my reasons why I am boycotting Intel, but I shop with Amazon regularly. They make Intel look like saints. We all pick which battles to fight, and which dirtbag copros to spend our money with. $445 for the 14900K with a 5yr warranty and the slew of mitigations that have happened, is logical to recommend to Intel buyers, if 1851 is a one and done socket and does not provide a superior gaming experience. The flagship will be almost $600; no way is that going to compute to value v. $445.Oh come on, that is just silly rumor or idea. Its not like that whole FSR thing with Starfield. Now that was real and not a marketing campaign.
Sarcasm aside, I'd be surprised if any of them recommend raptorlake even heavily discounted. Well, maybe Jay.
The bold is an exaggeration. You can keep pushing your lower the frequency advice, but no one shopping for a build is going to do that. Your advice also contradicts your observation about people wanting the most bang for buck. I do agree with the observation though, that's why AM4 still dominates retail.There is nothing wrong with Raptor lake CPUs, except the high frequency out of the box. You can fix it in a few seconds in BIOS.
The cheaper Raptors are also a gret value for money. 14600KF are now being sold for very nice price and are flying off the shelves now.
People are not stupid and the want as much performance for as little money as possible.
14600KF are now being sold for very nice price and are flying off the shelves now (only 12400F and 12700KF sell better).
I don't know where he lives, but it is ranked number 56 on Amazon U.S. with 200+ bought in the last month. That's atrociously bad sales for the biggest retailer in one of the biggest markets. The 14700K and 13700K are the only other raptor in the top 20. Alder Lake continues to be far and away the best selling 1700 line up, for good reasons.Eh, from US pricing $229 isn't much of a deal. I guess if you want e-cores or something. A 7600 is $30 cheaper on average. A 7700x is $50 more. Both of those have an upgrade path to 3d cache chips in the future if one wants it. 12400 chips are a better deal since they are both around $110-130.
You literally started a thread called "degrading raptor lake CPUs". 😏There is nothing wrong with Raptor lake CPUs...
He also got his firmware updated by Intel now he is on 0x12BYou literally started a thread called "degrading raptor lake CPUs". 😏