The Rise of the Machines

Torn Mind

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Lay humans have an extraordinary complacency or dismissiveness towards hacking and "digital snooping, break-ins", etc. Because everything is digital and not physically sensed, these actions simply do not carry gravitas unless ones is personally victimized and that "anyone is free game". I had my email hacked by a random in China, and thus the sensible thing is to be paranoid about wacko hackos doing crazy shit with tech.

Fictional works have robot characters possibly developing advanced AI, like Roboppi in Yu gi oh Vrains.

 
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Red Squirrel

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Got to admit that's pretty hilarious, but yeah, I have zero interest in smart stuff that relies on cloud, phone apps, or any external thing I don't have full control over, and this is one of the reasons why. There is always a chance of bad actors from accessing this stuff.

Any smart thing I put in my home is self hosted, and designed by me, and does not rely on proprietary hardware or software, so it's future proof.
 

deadlyapp

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Got to admit that's pretty hilarious, but yeah, I have zero interest in smart stuff that relies on cloud, phone apps, or any external thing I don't have full control over, and this is one of the reasons why. There is always a chance of bad actors from accessing this stuff.

Any smart thing I put in my home is self hosted, and designed by me, and does not rely on proprietary hardware or software, so it's future proof.
Until someone comes by with an axe and hacks off your mainline.
 

Exterous

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We really need to make home networking segmentation easier and work to be less reliant on apps for smart devices. And by 'we' I mean corporations. Which means its probably not going to happen
 

WelshBloke

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We really need to make home networking segmentation easier and work to be less reliant on apps for smart devices. And by 'we' I mean corporations. Which means its probably not going to happen
"We" like cheap consumer electronics with high profit margins and no ongoing development costs. But good cyber security is expensive and involves ongoing costs after the product is shipped.
So, yeah, not going to happen!
 

Red Squirrel

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We really need to make home networking segmentation easier and work to be less reliant on apps for smart devices. And by 'we' I mean corporations. Which means its probably not going to happen

Yeah only reason they do it is because they also spy on us then sell the data. I also wonder if companies like Google and Apple pay companies to make their products require apps, because by doing that it forces users of those products to need a phone with one of those platforms on it (and an account), which of course they spy on you with as well.

It's actually EASIER to design a product without needing an app that is just stand alone as regular PC development is much easier than embedded development for phones as you don't need as complex of a tool chain or to do the same work multiple times to cover each phone platform. Could easily make products that just run something equivalent to a RPI running Linux and have a web interface to manage it. Could use easy to impliment languages like C++ and php. No need for apps, or cloud or any of that stuff and it would be 100% local.
 

Exterous

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Yeah only reason they do it is because they also spy on us then sell the data. I also wonder if companies like Google and Apple pay companies to make their products require apps, because by doing that it forces users of those products to need a phone with one of those platforms on it (and an account), which of course they spy on you with as well.

It's actually EASIER to design a product without needing an app that is just stand alone as regular PC development is much easier than embedded development for phones as you don't need as complex of a tool chain or to do the same work multiple times to cover each phone platform. Could easily make products that just run something equivalent to a RPI running Linux and have a web interface to manage it. Could use easy to impliment languages like C++ and php. No need for apps, or cloud or any of that stuff and it would be 100% local.
Sometimes its just laziness. We were doing a project with some small displays that were only little 5" screens for displaying specific information fed from a specific source. Turns out the company just uses the same software load out for ALL of their products. They make conferencing hardware as well so why not ship these displays with SIP capabilities. So what if there's no speaker or microphone. Well - within 5min or so of getting these devices online we started getting spam calls on these displays. Every so often the screen would just display "Incoming call" and list an international phone number. But again there is no speaker, microphone or buttons to push so you just have to wait. Zero reason to have SIP included let alone enabled by default on these. (We ended up putting those on their own tightly scoped VLAN)
 

Red Squirrel

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Wow that does seem sketchy. One thing to have SIP but for it to actually be configured and everything. Makes you wonder what else it was connecting to.

Seems you really can't trust anything anymore though, everything seems to call out to the internet some way or the other. Even security cameras. Been researching ones suitable but even the "good" ones are known to be sketchy so you want them on an isolated vlan.
 
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