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Lifer
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There are millions of people who watch FOX and Rogan. There is a non-zero chance that someone who is registered to vote and wasn't going to vote, may decide to vote for Harris. That's +1 Harris. Even more valuable would be any Trump voter who changes their mind. They have the highest vote weight of anyone, at +2 Harris.

Unless Harris is unable to hold her own against a couple of mediocre hosts, she will probably gain votes with the exposure. I mean, does anyone believe there are more FOX viewers or Rogan viewers who were going to vote for Harris, but will change their mind after seeing her on a platform they engage with?

Go for any and every possible vote. That's how you win an election.

I do like Harris' calling out Trump while putting herself out there and announcing new policies and how she is tough and fit compared to Trump.

Now is the time to put it all out there. Now is when a lot of the electorate are just starting to pay attention. We're still close to 3 weeks out until the last 12 hours of voting, which some people actually call election day instead of the very last moments of what could be the last election this country holds. Imagine just waiting until the last possible moments hoping nothing goes wrong in the last few hours of the maybe the last election. But I'm probably just exaggerating.
IIRC very few people actually make up their mind in the final days before the election.

Right Now is really crunch time already, esp. with early voting and mail-in balloting being the norm rather than the exception. Nobody knows what the error* in the polls will ultimately be, but it's very strange that some people optimistically expect a blue wave to crest. Even those of us here that understand the stakes probably don't fully grasp the enormity of it all. Betting markets currently like DJT by a little**, as we stare into the possible abyss of Trump 2.0.

As you explained, Harris needs a pretty broad coalition (beyond just the base) to win this election. Whether that's pulling in a few 2016/2020 flip floppers or getting some young voters to the polls for the first time ever, it's likely to come down to a small margin in just a few states (out of 7 battlegrounds).

* It's averaged 4-5 percent for presidential elections, historically.
** Nobody knows why, there hasn't been an October surprise. The likely answer seems to be misogyny and racism, along with unchanged bad "vibes" about the economy.
 
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Just watched the fux interview and Brett was a total asshole. She handled him very well i thought and was able to get in some very critical lines that should resonate with at least a few disaffected republican voters, especially when it came to the topic of dictatorship and democracy
Meidastouch's analysis is strong. Kam smoked Bret/Fox, she was so up to this! Her work recently interviewing is showing. I am really impressed.

Kamala TAKES DOWN Trump in FOX INTERVIEW​

 

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Only one proposal I want from her. Quit saying you are going to help the "middle class" when all your proposals are directed to certain segments. Quit trying to pay for peoples kids (there is already a Federal tax credit, and most states have some sort of child tax credit as well), or help them buy a house, or build more housing. Just cut the middle class tax rates across the board. For a change, help the single taxpayers and childless married couples who have been paying taxes all their life and have been ignored by both the Reps and the Dems. After that, there could be directed tax cuts or credits for children, housing, etc. You might also explain how you are going to pay for it.

I think Kamala is running a decent, but not exceptional campaign. She says she wants to help the middle class, but I dont think she has been particularly convincing. I know she hasn't convinced me, as noted above. And I still think she made a mistake in picking Walz as VP. He has been pretty quiet of late, and I think that indicates people are growing tired of his good ol boy schtick. It also doesn't help that he seems to "mis-speak" every time he opens his mouth. If Pennsylvania comes down to the deciding votes, and she loses it, well, I told you so, she should have picked Shapiro. In addition to being from a swing state, he is more polished, politically experienced, and probably would have done better in the debate than Walz. And for heaven's sake, address crime, the economy and the border in addition to reproductive rights. At least repudiate some of the FUD the Reps are spreading about these issues.
Did you watch any of her Fox interview? Abortion never came up. She was confronted with border stuff (read from interviewer's notes, he was a deer in the headlights) and parried the jabs artfully and articulately.
 
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Heartbreaker

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I'm most worried about the influence of Elon Musk. He's gone full MAGA black hat.

There are millions of Musk Stans and many will support Trump because Elon supports him, then of course there is Twitter which is his 40 Billion dollar Magaphone, and the many millions he has given Trump to buy and support Trump.



I fear there are dark days ahead.
 

Fenixgoon

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Meidastouch's analysis is strong. Kam smoked Bret/Fox, she was so up to this! Her work recently interviewing is showing. I am really impressed.

Kamala TAKES DOWN Trump in FOX INTERVIEW​

Kamala did not fall into the basket of deplorables trap. She never backed down when Brett tried to talk over her. Very impressive from her. Can't wait for Madam President
 
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gothuevos

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What's your explanation as to why that is? What does Trump have to offer them that they prefer him over Harris? All I've been hearing out of Trump is lies and wholly unsubstantiated easily debunked accusations and weird non-sensical rhetoric. He offers nothing of substance on economic issues while he keeps hammering away at the pet eating immigrants, offering more security at the border after he shot all of that down when that very kind of legislation was passed in the Senate. So I'm honestly asking you what in your opinion is Trump offering to those that "continue to gain in Trump's favor" because I've seen absolutely nothing from him except bribes to certain working class folks when he should be offering the whole middle class a well deserved tax cut that he and his ilk have been preventing from happening.

I don't know?

Nobody has figured this out in the last 8 years.
 

gothuevos

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Kamala did not fall into the basket of deplorables trap. She never backed down when Brett tried to talk over her. Very impressive from her. Can't wait for Madam President

Always funny watching the post game reactions to these...both sides obviously always claim total victory. Seemed more like a draw, he got to pin her down on immigration but she never really answered anything but instead put the spotlight back on Trump. That's fine, it's a strategy and you can see it in her campaign the past several weeks.
 

yottabit

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Always funny watching the post game reactions to these...both sides obviously always claim total victory. Seemed more like a draw, he got to pin her down on immigration but she never really answered anything but instead put the spotlight back on Trump. That's fine, it's a strategy and you can see it in her campaign the past several weeks.
If she wins it’s going to be by running as a competent not-Trump

It’s exactly the right strategy to take, PARTICULARLY for a Fox News audience. You think she should’ve been up there focusing on the minutia of her policy details?

Walz has also been great, the whole “weird” thing kept the entire Republican party on the backfoot for at least a month
 

yottabit

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I’ll add, the only people upset about her not focusing on how she would be different from Biden, the policy details etc is the media

They were upset about her not doing interviews… and then now that she’s doing them, they have to find new reasons to be upset

What kind of great policy details has Trump been sharing? How many primetime interviews has he done recently on major networks? Dude just turned a rally into a 45 minute music concert for the vibes.
 
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I don't really want her to be completely different from Joe. I want her to be more aggressive against the 'Yahu. I want her to more fully back Ukraine and be more vocal against Vlad. I want her to push hard for court reform including the removal of Thomas and Alito. Then there's the tax thing and repair of Medicare and SSA. I want her to push Congress to fix the bad rulings of the courts including specifically authorizing certain agency authorities.

I don't care about EVs so she can back off of that.
 

brycejones

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Thomas and alito will die in office. There is no practical way to “remove” them.

As far as authorizing agency authorities given how scrotus gutted Chevron that probably won’t be enough until the balance in the court is changed.
 
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This could be interesting. Or it could be terrible. If Kam gets in and can add a couple of Judges to the 'one Judge districts', it could pull the teeth of a couple of certain activist Judges. If Donny gets in, it could screw the country further.



But it may not help correct bad behavior of Judges either. THAT is something that needs to be done.
 

fskimospy

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I don't really want her to be completely different from Joe. I want her to be more aggressive against the 'Yahu. I want her to more fully back Ukraine and be more vocal against Vlad. I want her to push hard for court reform including the removal of Thomas and Alito. Then there's the tax thing and repair of Medicare and SSA. I want her to push Congress to fix the bad rulings of the courts including specifically authorizing certain agency authorities.

I don't care about EVs so she can back off of that.
Everything has to start with court reform, which means probably means scrapping the filibuster. If Congress passed a law tomorrow that said exactly to restore Chevron the court would just invent a Really Major Questions Doctrine and strike that down too.

Basically no meaningful legislation can be passed until the courts are fixed.
 

fskimospy

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This could be interesting. Or it could be terrible. If Kam gets in and can add a couple of Judges to the 'one Judge districts', it could pull the teeth of a couple of certain activist Judges. If Donny gets in, it could screw the country further.



But it may not help correct bad behavior of Judges either. THAT is something that needs to be done.
The law says the additional judges would be added over 12 years so the winner of the next election, while important, wouldn’t be filling most of them anyway.
 

K1052

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Dude just turned a rally into a 45 minute music concert for the vibes.

This was technically supposed to be a "town hall" which the just decided not to do and made everybody listen to his playlist.
 
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I’ll add, the only people upset about her not focusing on how she would be different from Biden, the policy details etc is the media

They were upset about her not doing interviews… and then now that she’s doing them, they have to find new reasons to be upset

What kind of great policy details has Trump been sharing? How many primetime interviews has he done recently on major networks? Dude just turned a rally into a 45 minute music concert for the vibes.
Exactly and this is bullshit. Irritating how the serious candidate is held to a much higher standard.
Irritates me more and more as time goes on.
 

Indus

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Always funny watching the post game reactions to these...both sides obviously always claim total victory. Seemed more like a draw, he got to pin her down on immigration but she never really answered anything but instead put the spotlight back on Trump. That's fine, it's a strategy and you can see it in her campaign the past several weeks.

Sometimes in the minds of voters.. if someone tries to destroy their view.. they are reviled even more.. but if you just parry and don't come across as radically dangerous.. you can sometimes win by making them less motivated to turn up and vote for the other guy.

It is a strategy.. one that Hildabeast majorly fucked up by saying, "We're gonna put coal miners out of work!"
 
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