Discussion Nvidia is widening the R&D gap with its competitors

gdansk

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I read that one product (Hopper) has more revenue than all previous Nvidia products combined. I wonder if that's true. And how much of their R&D leading up to 2022 could be counted as part of Hopper (or related) development.

Not that Nvidia should do anything else with their profits. They need to keep finding growth applications for GPGPUs.
 
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marees

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Said AI stack includes GPUs, CPU, DPUs, so so is it that different?
But CUDA is Universal & unites the entire stack right ?

AMD has just announced Udna but not sure how mature/ready it is
 

soresu

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AMD has just announced Udna but not sure how mature/ready it is
UDNA is just their way of saying they are nixing the CDNA/RDNA separation of µArch and software stack R&D while giving developers a single hardware target to optimise for within each generation, which will make ROCm/HIP more attractive in the long run.
 

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UDNA is just their way of saying they are nixing the CDNA/RDNA separation of µArch and software stack R&D while giving developers a single hardware target to optimise for within each generation, which will make ROCm/HIP more attractive in the long run.

Is that a good thing when it comes to hardware?

I thought AMD consumer graphics could be stronger in raster because it seems more optimized for client graphics.

If they are going towards one single architecture, it seems consumer graphics will suffer.
 

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Great, just great. We are barreling towards the "Now all restaurants are Taco Bell." future.

Or Pizza Hut if you are in certain overseas markets. They'll still serve things that vaguely resemble tacos and you will be very confused by this, but I've been told that war never makes any sense so why should the franchise wars be any different?
 

soresu

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Or Pizza Hut if you are in certain overseas markets. They'll still serve things that vaguely resemble tacos and you will be very confused by this, but I've been told that war never makes any sense so why should the franchise wars be any different?
Yeah I didn't know about this until a few years ago when I watched it from another region.
 

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If AMD lets Nvidia run rampant, we’re all in trouble​

the GPU market is definitely at risk of slipping into “unhealthy” territory, and that’s not because of any chip shortages. It’s more that the rivalry between AMD and Nvidia has cooled down, and things are unlikely to get any better going forward.

(It was after below guidance that it set tongues wagging that there will not be a RDNA 4 release this year)


Earlier this year, AMD revealed that its overall gaming revenue in the first quarter of 2024 was down by 48% year-over-year. AMD only expected things to get worse in the second half of 2024.

This leaves Nvidia sitting pretty with 88% of the GPU market in its hands.

 
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gdansk

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Intel has had a bigger R&D budget than AMD for.. ever?
They had hundreds of products and fabs so it wasn't comparable.
Nvidia does ML and ML-related accessories. Somehow I am reducing ex-Mellanox and ex-PGI to "ML-related accessories" but I guess that's the state of hardware and software in 2024.
 

marees

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AMD latest financials.

Gaming revenue is 6% of total
Operating margin from gaming revenue is negligible

 

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I noticed that it doesn't really matter whether there are anti-monopoly laws or there are state funded and sponsored companies. It all seems to lead into the same thing.

If you look at Korea and Japan, few super large companies do everything. I mean constructions, chemicals, electronics, household, finance.

Countries like the US where it seems it's left to the private entities to make decisions come to a same conclusion. It's because there are always people who are stronger, those who are smarter, those who work harder, etc. So even if you don't have any possible nefarious things going on to get there, the #1 will get to the top and stay at top, just because. Add to that lobbying, which is essentially bribery rebranded.

The KEY to understanding is that the results could be called fractal - The things happening at a much smaller level like individuals are reflected at a large level such as corporations and governments.
 

MrTeal

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They had hundreds of products and fabs so it wasn't comparable.
Nvidia does ML and ML-related accessories. Somehow I am reducing ex-Mellanox and ex-PGI to "ML-related accessories" but I guess that's the state of hardware and software in 2024.
Now I need a computer generated image of Hank Hill in a leather jacket saying "I sell AI and AI accessories"
 

marees

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Not a good news for future of AMD's GPU business

AMD Confirms Laying Off 4% Of Its Employees To Align Resources With “Largest Growth Opportunities”​


In a statement given to Wccftech, an AMD spokesperson confirmed the layoffs. According to AMD, the layoffs are "a part of aligning our resources with our largest growth opportunities." They are part of "a number of targeted steps that will unfortunately result in reducing our global workforce by approximately 4%." AMD added that it is "committed to treating impacted employees with respect and helping them through this transition."


Earlier:
According to a post on the message board Team Blind, 4% of AMD's employees were laid as part of worldwide layoffs today. The original poster saw several replies to their posts, most confirming the redundancies. One user commented that their friend had confirmed the 1,000 number, with another confirming that they were laid off as well.

Another post on the message board, The Layoff, also mentioned the redundancies. In response to the original poster's statement sharing that they were "affected by the layoff," four anonymous users shared that either they or someone they knew were affected. One user commented that while they were not expecting to be laid off, they got what they "consider to be a generous severance, which softens the blow."

Another commented that they "just found out" and were in "total shock." According to them, "Supposedly the decision was made “way up high” beyond my managers hands but it still feels personal." Two others shared that people they had worked with had been let go by AMD.


Also:

AMD Stock Down 2.7% On Day Of Layoffs At Firm​

The rumors of layoffs at AMD come after a mixed third-quarter earnings report, which started a bearish wave for the shares. Since AMD released its third-quarter earnings, the stock has been down by 13.6%. While the firm grew its revenue and profit by 17% and 34%, respectively, during the third quarter, its midpoint revenue guidance of $7.5 billion for the current quarter missed analyst estimates of $7.54 billion.

AMD's earnings report also shared a sharp drop in the firm's gaming division. During the quarter, gaming revenue dropped by a stunning 69% annually to $462 million. The drop led to the division's operating income nearly turning into a loss, marking a 96% drop to $12 million from the year-ago quarter's $208 million. AMD attributed the gaming GPU revenue drop primarily to "lower semi-custom revenue."

https://wccftech.com/amd-confirms-l...-resources-with-largest-growth-opportunities/
 

marees

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Nvidia’s AI-RAN solution reduces the rest to Also-rans !!??

Nvidia revealed that SoftBank, using its AI Aerial accelerated computing platform, has successfully piloted what the company claims is the world's first combined AI and 5G telecom network — a breakthrough in computing that opens AI revenue streams potentially worth billions of dollars to telecom operators.

Local AI Marketplace​

SoftBank also aims to create a local AI marketplace, using Nvidia AI Enterprise software, that can meet the demand for local, secure AI computing. This new service, which supports AI training and edge AI inference, reportedly positions SoftBank to become the AI grid for Japan, facilitating new business opportunities for the creation, distribution, and use of AI services across the country's industries, consumers and enterprises.


Development of SoftBank AI-RAN​

A key milestone in the collaboration is the development of SoftBank's AI-RAN (AI-powered Radio Access Network), which integrates AI and 5G workloads. This solution allows telecom operators to monetise unused network capacity for AI services, offering a potential return of up to 219 percent on infrastructure investments.

AI Revenue Producing Assets​

Nvidia says this new infrastructure offers operators the ability to transform their base stations from cost centers into AI revenue-producing assets.

SoftBank's Successful AI-RAN Field Trial​

Through an outdoor trial conducted in the Kanagawa prefecture, SoftBank demonstrated that its Nvidia-accelerated AI-RAN solution has achieved carrier-grade 5G performance and was able to do so while using the network's excess capacity to run AI inference workloads concurrently.

Monetising Network Capacity for AI Services​

Nvidia explained that traditional telco networks are designed to handle peak loads and, on average, have used only one-third of that capacity. With the common computing capability provided by AI-RAN, it is expected that telcos now have the opportunity to monetise the remaining two-thirds of capacity for AI inference services.

Revenue Potential from AI-RAN Investments​

Nvidia and SoftBank estimate that telco operators can earn roughly USD 5 in AI inference revenue from every USD 1 of capex it invests in new AI-RAN infrastructure.


https://telecomtalk.info/softbank-nvidia-build-ai-powered-5g-network/984756/
 

LightningZ71

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That's kinda neat. Carriers have to provision local cells with sufficient computing and electrical power to handle the worst-case traffic on each cell. That worst case rarely happens, so there's a bunch of unused and unexploited capacity in each tower support box. Nvidia and the AI-RAN alliance proposed that the support box house a Grace Hooper based server that runs a virtualization host that dynamically (or statically) allocates computing resources back and forth between the carrier tasks and a virtualized instance of one or more servers on the edge that can handle AI or control functions. This is a revenue multiplier for carriers as it allows the towers to be able to pay for themselves in contracted services revenue using otherwise unexploited resources.
 
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