I am idly asking myself:supermicro is backordered since Zen 5 was released for my Turin motherboard.
While the account is new I have been in the forums since 2006 ish. I had an old account a long time ago but lost/ forgot it :/X3D really is a cult, one leak and we have multiple new accounts.
There are a lot of games (UE5 titles for example), where extra cache doesn't really help much, if at all, so you can get a sample of titles where the CPUs would be more or less equal or Intel will win, even. Also, most reviewers test with JEDEC or XMP memory timings in 1080p with ultra settings, which for newer raytraced UE5 titles would be mostly GPU limited.Arrow Lake had no chance even versus Zen 4 Vcache, so I guess it will look pretty bad Vs Zen 5 Vcache version in games.
Nov 7 looks like it's a year away lol.
I for one am using onboard sound but through S/PDIF — notably, TOSLINK. That is, A/D converter is external, and optical attachment eliminates the possibility of a ground loop.More expensive [mainboard] doesn't necessarily mean better.
People get discrete sound cards for better sound anyway.
I do like my SB AE-7 even if it is still in the caseIdiotic software codecs (every RTLxxxx and such) shouldn't be called sound cards IMO but that's nothing new either.
Too bad hardware accelerated sound cards were killed decades ago (thanks M$).
Anyway, today you need either to get out of the case with digital (hence SPDIF) or get the card of the case (various USB, TB and before FireWire cards).
In case some were still wondering, it can make a *huge* difference, quality-wise.
yeah... Bulldozer vs. Skylake vibes. 9800X3d could be 25-30% faster in games vs 285KIt looks like 9800X3D will dominate every other chip. Arrow Lake had no chance even versus Zen 4 Vcache, so I guess it will look pretty bad Vs Zen 5 Vcache version in games.
Nov 7 looks like it's a year away lol.
Idk here ? xD "Not, a chance in hell" then 12h later xD when tuned 9800x3d is 25%+ faster vs max tuned wcckek's best amd-owner's can do. But that meme was funny thou xDWhere did I laugh at you? But yes, without the obvious hefty tuning that was done in the bench Igor posted I still think the chip will struggle to achieve +15% average in gaming vs 7800X3D. 5.2GHz just wont be enough for that outside of games that already benefit from Zen 5 architecture.
I considered Asrock, but I found an unbeatable deal on a X870E Tomahawk and have it coming, so I will be returning the Pro Wifi.
Idiotic software codecs (every RTLxxxx and such) shouldn't be called sound cards IMO but that's nothing new either.
Too bad hardware accelerated sound cards were killed decades ago (thanks M$).
Anyway, today you need either to get out of the case with digital (hence SPDIF) or get the card of the case (various USB, TB and before FireWire cards).
In case some were still wondering, it can make a *huge* difference, quality-wise.
Epic should fix Unreal Engine, not CPUI'm very curious about 1% FPS on 9800X3D, will be crazy..... the extinction of freeze stutter!!!
Honestly, no idea.I'm very curious about 1% FPS on 9800X3D, will be crazy..... the extinction of freeze stutter!!!
Yeah that's a better solution. Stop targeting PS5 Zen 2 for your dang engine!Epic should fix Unreal Engine, not CPU
The problem is the moment someone targets Zen2, people are writing petitions because AVX bad, https://steamcommunity.com/app/2322010/discussions/0/4843148117775762070/ or https://www.change.org/p/remove-avx2-hardware-requirement-in-alan-wake-ii-game oh wellYeah that's a better solution. Stop targeting PS5 Zen 2 for your dang engine!
The problem is the moment someone targets Zen2, people are writing petitions because AVX bad, https://steamcommunity.com/app/2322010/discussions/0/4843148117775762070/ or https://www.change.org/p/remove-avx2-hardware-requirement-in-alan-wake-ii-game oh well
And then you have to thank Intel for segmentation by removing extensions.Some people just like to complain. Others are cheap. And then you have those that just don't accept progress.
Maybe all of us should pity buy the cheapest ARL-S (CPU only) we can afford and set it aside as our trophy that we acquired to save Intel's disappearing arseThat's how segmenting comes back to bite you in the arse. Typical Intel.
Idk here ? xD "Not, a chance in hell" then 12h later xD when tuned 9800x3d is 25%+ faster vs max tuned wcckek's best amd-owner's can do. But that meme was funny thou xD
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Oh, a fellow 'keker, I thought you meant here! I wasnt laughing at you, lol -- I was being serious. My thoughts havent changed from the above either. If it launches at $399 OR is 15%-20% faster than 7800X3D in games (at stock), it will be absolutely killer. If it does both, I will gladly eat much crow and proclaim you as the tech Nostradamus!
The ship has sailed on Zen 5 already. I think the demand will be down for 9800x3d after a week. They really should set the price at $399. People building new systems or buying new computers have largely left the PC market.It's not like people are upgrading from the 7800X3D to it. It will likely launch at $450 just like the 7800X3D. If ARL was more competitive maybe they would do a $400 launch but looks like ARL will not do well in games.
Maybe we should do predictions!
MSRP: $450
10-15% faster than 7800X3D at stock.
Nah, couldn't disagree more. When zen 5 is better priced it will sell. Being the best on the market, zen 5 X3D is separate enough from the standard lineup it doesn't matter. It will sell plenty when it launches.The ship has sailed on Zen 5 already. I think the demand will be down for 9800x3d after a week. They really should set the price at $399. People building new systems or buying new computers have largely left the PC market.
It would have been a very different story had AMD launched the 9800x3D chip on Zen 5 launch day. This is the 3rd generation x3D chip. It looks like they are finally getting close to the non x3d clocks.Nah, couldn't disagree more. When zen 5 is better priced it will sell. Being the best on the market, zen 5 X3D is separate enough from the standard lineup it doesn't matter. It will sell plenty when it launches.
Lol my god. On that change.org one he’s using an 11 year old CPU (despite the fact he calls it 9 years old) with a 4070 Ti. Imagine complaining about that in any other period in gaming history.The problem is the moment someone targets Zen2, people are writing petitions because AVX bad, https://steamcommunity.com/app/2322010/discussions/0/4843148117775762070/ or https://www.change.org/p/remove-avx2-hardware-requirement-in-alan-wake-ii-game oh well