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coldmeat

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Do you think he knew the McDonald's photo shoot was staged? Do you think he thought he was serving real customers?
 
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hal2kilo

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What the hell is "male enhancement honey"?
You spread it on and hope that the bee stings make it swell?!
It's the latest craze. You keep beehives next to the place where they keep the bulls for the running of the bulls. And it feels so good.
 

iRONic

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I guess if you want everyone to know you're in a cult before you even open your mouth…
 

QueBert

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Yeah, I think that has more to do with his germ phobia than him shitting his pants. He probably at some time saw someone he perceives as dirty sitting in that spot be it a camera person during setup or some random guest they had on at some time.
As far as fox and friends and the fox network is concerned trump could shit on anything they have at any point in time and they’d be grateful he did. That show and its hosts and the network are 100% subservient to the former President.

Multiple people who worked for him or were close to him have come out saying he wears diapers and shits himself. And will sit feces soiled like it was nothing. I really don't think a person with a phobia of germs would be able to casually just sit in shit-filled diapers.
 
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Multiple people who worked for him or were close to him have come out saying he wears diapers and shits himself. And will sit feces soiled like it was nothing. I really don't think a person with a phobia of germs would be able to casually just sit in shit-filled diapers.
I’m not doubting that at all.
What I doubt would be Fox or Fox & Friends acknowledging that by putting a towel down. They would never do that and the former President would never sit on a towel for the reason of him possibly leaking on to someone else’s couch.
 

you2

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Multiple people who worked for him or were close to him have come out saying he wears diapers and shits himself. And will sit feces soiled like it was nothing. I really don't think a person with a phobia of germs would be able to casually just sit in shit-filled diapers.
If only his supporters knew; oh wait they probably do and think it is 'cool'.
 
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akugami

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Trump policy proposals, one minor side effect: draining Social Security completely dry by 2031

Resulting in social security benefits cut of 33%
to all recipients per current law to rebalance. Or alternatively, requiring law change to increase the social security tax rate by 50% by 2031.


What causes this sharply accelerated drain of Social Security fund?
- Ending taxes on social security (100% of which goes back into the program today)
- Ending taxes on tips/overtime
- Deporting millions of immigrants who pay billions each year into SS, but get nothing out of it
- (Not to mention the step change increase in inflation/costs from revisiting depression-era tariff wars)


* I am for ending taxes on SS. I just don't feel it is a tax we should be imposing.

* We should NOT be ending taxes on OT. Tips are evil. Tips, to me, was a necessity because business owners were too cheap to pay a fair wage to their employees,. We SHOULD be increasing wages to a implement a thriving wage for everyone. Not a living wage, a thriving wage. It's so screwed up that many people who work, and want to do better, can't afford something as simple as a trip down to the shore with their family.

* There should be an immigrant work program. The facts are, there are a lot of decent people from other countries who want to work. There are plenty of jobs that US citizens feel are beneath them, but immigrants will happily accept the lower wages for these jobs. Immigrants sneak into the US because it is their only hope of finding work and sending it back home to their families. Contrary to conservative bullshit, most are not here to rape women or murder people. Yes, I do feel these people are breaking the laws of the US, but at the same time, I feel there should be an easier path for them to legally enter and find work in the US.

* Have multi-millionaires and billionaires pay their fare share of taxes. It's funny how conservatives are brainwashed into supporting tax breaks for the rich.
 

you2

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* Have multi-millionaires and billionaires pay their fare share of taxes. It's funny how conservatives are brainwashed into supporting tax breaks for the rich.
Well - the problem is that most republicans don't know how to think. So the politicians just tell them that TAX raises are bad (and they think yea i don't want to pay more taxes); they can't actually decipher that tax on the rich will benefit them WITHOUT raising their taxes. There was a reason (while politically ill-advise) that Ms. Clinton said what she did about the average republican voter....

After all the last thing a dumb person wants is to be called dumbed.
 
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APU_Fusion

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Another lawsuit incoming


I hope he gets reamed over this


I am coming to believe Trump will win this election (I anlready cast ballot for Harris) and that at least 50% of voting Americans want chaos, racism, mysogny and the end of Democracy. It is my only way to explain the ongoing love for a clearly deranged man who lies about everything including obvious stuff that is easy to disprove. He just stated he would use the military on the American people and the right wing said nothing. They are a strongman cult.

When the rivers are on fire, we have 20% unemployment, the media is shutdown and the military is attacking blue states, the right would still say that is proof Obama is running country.

It is astonishing to watch such stupidity, willful ignorance and evil. Half of voting America wants the grand experiment to end it seems like.

Trump swayed to music with blank look on his face for 40 minutes and not a single peep from the right. They are gone.
 

you2

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Why? Income is income. If they're income is too low with typical SS benefits, they're not going to pay much in taxes anyway.
It is kind of weird that the govt gives you money (ss) and then take some of it back (ss-tax). Personally I think we should end ss-tax but by law be require to collect 2x ss tax elsewhere (preferably from those who make over $1,000,000 a year). The bottom line is us has the lowest absolute and % tax on the rich in over 200 years. It is in sane how those with billions can 'buy' more billions via political er donations; but then escape paying large amount of taxes.
 
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Dave_5k

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It is kind of weird that the govt gives you money (ss) and then take some of it back (ss-tax). Personally I think we should end ss-tax but by law be require to collect 2x ss tax elsewhere (preferably from those who make over $1,000,000 a year). The bottom line is us has the lowest absolute and % tax on the rich in over 200 years. It is in sane how those with billions can 'buy' more billions via political er donations; but then escape paying large amount of taxes.
I'd fix it in 3 steps if emperor for a day:
1) make all income subject to social security tax, without a cap, and without change in maximum benefits; and
2) redefine ordinary "income" to include all dividends, interest, capital gains, transfers out of trusts, personal expenses paid by businesses, as well as all inheritances, all subject to both both social security and medicare taxes as well as ordinary income tax.
3) Dramatically increase the individual standard exemption, say to $60k (such that overall changes are still significantly tax revenue positive), while eliminating all itemized deductions and credits, with sole exceptions of retaining a refundable child tax credit and a form of earned income tax credit.

Vastly simpler and vastly fairer tax code that not only fixes social security, and effectively eliminates tax on social security for almost everyone (under the standard exemption), while also ripping out decades of stacked billionaire loopholes and special tax preferences.
 

akugami

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Why? Income is income. If they're income is too low with typical SS benefits, they're not going to pay much in taxes anyway.

SS is a form of tax, and is calculated and taken from both employee and employer.

For 2024, the SS wage base is $168,600. The SS tax rate is 6.2%. This is paid by both the employee and employer, where each party pays 6.2% on wages earned, up to a maximum of $168,600. The wage base, and the tax percentage can change in any given year.

For now, the SS tax is effectively 14.2% on up the first $168,600 earned in 2024, and is collected by the federal government. Any wages earned above that is not subject to the SS wage tax. Depending on how you look at it, this is both a good thing and a bad thing.

I would like to see a higher wage base, and a scaled percentage paid into SS, depending on your salary. For example, the first $50k an employee earns in a calendar year might be only 3% to both the employee and employer. So effectively 6%. Anything above that up to $100k may be 5% each. Up to $150k may be 7% each. Up to $200k, 9% each. And up to $500k may be 10% each. Obviously the money earned and percentages taxed would have to be tweaked, but you relieve the burden on those who earn less. This sliding scale also helps smaller businesses. This promotes small businesses by giving them a lesser tax burden, while giving those businesses who can pay much higher wages with a higher tax rate.

Now, without getting into too much on the whats and whys, you'll notice that Social Security tax is effectively an enforced payment into a retirement fund. That's why, when a person retires and collects SS, the SS payments are taxed as income. One school of thought is that this is basically a retirement fund paid with pre-tax dollars. Conventional taxation is you either get taxed now, or you get taxed later. However, unlike a traditional retirement fund (which can be paid with pre-tax or post-tax dollars), the employee has no choice but to pay into SS. And that's my problem with taxing SS income to retirees.

The other issue is, those who overwhelmingly need every single dollar when they reach retirement age are the poor. Taxing SS income hurts them way more than it does some rich guy who is claiming SS, just because they are entitled to it, not because of a need. I'm OK with letting them slip through, because overall, I feel not taxing SS helps those who most need it.
 
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IronWing

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^ The employee - employer shared SS contributions are a polite fiction. The employee's labor pays for all of it.

A very high personal exemption would address folks living primarily or wholly on SS benefits. A steep graduated income tax would phase in taxes, regardless of income source, for the more well off.
 
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you2

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I'd fix it in 3 steps if emperor for a day:
1) make all income subject to social security tax, without a cap, and without change in maximum benefits; and
2) redefine ordinary "income" to include all dividends, interest, capital gains, transfers out of trusts, personal expenses paid by businesses, as well as all inheritances, all subject to both both social security and medicare taxes as well as ordinary income tax.
3) Dramatically increase the individual standard exemption, say to $60k (such that overall changes are still significantly tax revenue positive), while eliminating all itemized deductions and credits, with sole exceptions of retaining a refundable child tax credit and a form of earned income tax credit.

Vastly simpler and vastly fairer tax code that not only fixes social security, and effectively eliminates tax on social security for almost everyone (under the standard exemption), while also ripping out decades of stacked billionaire loopholes and special tax preferences.
What you missed is:
4) tax all options when they vest at 2x income tax.-
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Part of the problem with options is effectively the company is giving away part of it self unfairly to the executives - this is usually hidden via non-gap earnings reports since it doesn't impact cash flow but it has a long term impact on company 'worth'; though the whole thing is convoluted. The reason these options needed to be tax harshly is the insane amount of non-cash money that is provided to 'select' people.
 

pmv

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akugami

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^ The employee - employer shared SS contributions are a polite fiction. The employee's labor pays for all of it.

A very high personal exemption would address folks living primarily or wholly on SS benefits. A steep graduated income tax would phase in taxes, regardless of income source, for the more well off.

I don't disagree.

However, it is what it is. Regular employees are the true lifeblood of the company, and what makes it run. C-Suites get paid way more than they are worth. C-Suites get paid 50x to 500x what the average employee at a large company makes.
 

hal2kilo

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SS is a form of tax, and is calculated and taken from both employee and employer.

For 2024, the SS wage base is $168,600. The SS tax rate is 6.2%. This is paid by both the employee and employer, where each party pays 6.2% on wages earned, up to a maximum of $168,600. The wage base, and the tax percentage can change in any given year.

For now, the SS tax is effectively 14.2% on up the first $168,600 earned in 2024, and is collected by the federal government. Any wages earned above that is not subject to the SS wage tax. Depending on how you look at it, this is both a good thing and a bad thing.

I would like to see a higher wage base, and a scaled percentage paid into SS, depending on your salary. For example, the first $50k an employee earns in a calendar year might be only 3% to both the employee and employer. So effectively 6%. Anything above that up to $100k may be 5% each. Up to $150k may be 7% each. Up to $200k, 9% each. And up to $500k may be 10% each. Obviously the money earned and percentages taxed would have to be tweaked, but you relieve the burden on those who earn less. This sliding scale also helps smaller businesses. This promotes small businesses by giving them a lesser tax burden, while giving those businesses who can pay much higher wages with a higher tax rate.

Now, without getting into too much on the whats and whys, you'll notice that Social Security tax is effectively an enforced payment into a retirement fund. That's why, when a person retires and collects SS, the SS payments are taxed as income. One school of thought is that this is basically a retirement fund paid with pre-tax dollars. Conventional taxation is you either get taxed now, or you get taxed later. However, unlike a traditional retirement fund (which can be paid with pre-tax or post-tax dollars), the employee has no choice but to pay into SS. And that's my problem with taxing SS income to retirees.

The other issue is, those who overwhelmingly need every single dollar when they reach retirement age are the poor. Taxing SS income hurts them way more than it does some rich guy who is claiming SS, just because they are entitled to it, not because of a need. I'm OK with letting them slip through, because overall, I feel not taxing SS helps those who most need it.
If they are poor and only receiving SS, they will not be paying taxes.
 
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