X Elite for comparison;
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The Oryon CPU in 8 Elite is much better than the one in X Elite.
• Vastly better ST and MT efficiency
• Lower c2c latencies
• Presence of 'E-cores
• Stable 4.3 GHz clock speed
I think calling it 2nd gen Oryon CPU is highly justified.
And how much of that is going to 3-2 zoomzoomies?How much of the improved efficiency is them using the platform power as the comparison and using a phone versus a laptop?
Guess they're not happy about being outdone.
Don't violance the licensing. simple as.Guess they're not happy about being outdone.
Wow, they are really trying to squeeze higher fees from Qualcomm.
Well they stuffed 8 big cores innit. Gonna burn the wattage just fine.Even leaving room for possibly not exactly the same thing being measured, that is a lot of extra power for the crown.
??Wow, they are really trying to squeeze higher fees from Qualcomm.
Another Chinese reviewer.
The main thing that caught my eye here was the power measurements in multicore (Geekbench).
8 Elite 10560 16 W
9400 9182 16.2 W
A18 Pro 8602 9.5 W
Even leaving room for possibly not exactly the same thing being measured, that is a lot of extra power for the crown.
Nah, Qualcomm will likely agree to terms set by ARM. What are they gonna do move to RISC-V or go back to ARM cores?Don't violance the licensing. simple as.
x86 wins again by doing nothing as usual.
Well, the latter is what ARM wants. That's why they're going scorched earth to begin with.What are they gonna do move to RISC-V or go back to ARM cores?
I was referring to both Androids relative to the A18 Pro.??
8 Elite is consuming less power than D9400, while delivering more performance.
I don’t think they care about the Oryon cores as long as they get more money.Well, the latter is what ARM wants. That's why they're going scorched earth to begin with.
ARM can't stop them. All they can do is stop providing validation support and ask some court to stop Qualcomm. I heard they already did both many months ago...What are they gonna do move to RISC-V or go back to ARM cores?
yeah they do, core licensing is more $$$ than the ISA one.I don’t think they care about the Oryon cores as long as they get more money.
That isn’t necessarily a disagreement. You mean if settlement forced 10 percent more than than core licensing and for whatever reasons Qualcomm grudgingly agreed, Arm would still balk because it’s Oryon?yeah they do, core licensing is more $$$ than the ISA one.
Source:
“This is more of the same from ARM – more unfounded threats designed to strongarm a longtime partner, interfere with our performance-leading CPUs, and increase royalty rates regardless of the broad rights under our architecture license. With a trial fast approaching in December, Arm’s desperate ploy appears to be an attempt to disrupt the legal process, and its claim for termination is completely baseless. We are confident that Qualcomm’s rights under its agreement with Arm will be affirmed. Arm’s anticompetitive conduct will not be tolerated.”
Vader?The register file sizes and ROB resources for Oryon-L are very similar to M3 P. Oryon-M has a much larger ROB than M4 e core and interestingly has a different balance than Apple’s small core. Oryon-M has a larger integer register file and one more pipeline. For floating point, M4 e has both a larger register file and one more pipeline.
Apple-Qualcomm are much more similar than AMD-Intel, but of course they have the same father.
So if ARM cancels the license that would mean next year, QC would have to release CPUs based on ARM? That is embarrassing after hyping up their custom cores.
If I know Amon he won't go back or he will be pressured by the board/shareholders to bow to ARM's requirements to get that custom license back. How's RISC-V for HPC use these days?