Aah beat me to it.
Both the 9400 and S8E have 8 cores though. Either way shows the scaling of Phoenix-M.
Indeed, my comment was a play on both having the same father 😆
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Aah beat me to it.Geekerwan's full video on 8 Elite has been posted to YouTube:
The perf / W 1T curves of 8 Elite vs D9400 are surprisingly close, even with Qualcomm's much higher frequency and slight overall 1T perf win.
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Then to GB6 nT, 8 Elite is another world of perf / W, matching the D9400's 18.5W at a mere ~10.5W, and with fewer cores. Some can be improved uncore / fabric which GB6 nT also stresses, but whatever it is, it's is a great win.
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Indeed, my comment was a play on both having the same father 😆Gerard Williams 3 & co., presumably.
Second, Arm has no obligation to support Qualcomm’s further attempts to continue developing unlicensed technology originally developed at Nuvia using Arm’s architecture. Qualcomm’s ALA with Arm expressly excludes any license to Arm technology that was not developed under that specific ALA. The Qualcomm ALA limits Qualcomm’s design and manufacture rights, and Arm’s verification, delivery, and support obligations, to chips (1) based on the technology Arm delivered to Qualcomm under that ALA, (2) created at Qualcomm, by Qualcomm engineers and Qualcomm subsidiaries during the period while those entities were subsidiaries of Qualcomm, and (3) licensed subject to the terms of that ALA. None of this is true of the Phoenix core or other designs developed by Nuvia engineers at Nuvia based on the technology and license granted to Nuvia by Arm when Nuvia was a standalone company. Thus, Qualcomm is not only trying to develop an unlicensed product, but is also materially breaching its ALA with Arm.
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Aah beat me to it.
Both the 9400 and S8E have 8 cores though. Either way shows the scaling of Phoenix-M.
Indeed, my comment was a play on both having the same father 😆
Geekerwan's full video on 8 Elite has been posted to YouTube:
I’ve noticed that also, and I think he’s actually saying “alien,” as in beyond human technological capability, jokingly of course.3. In just about every review, the auto translation to English seems to translate some particular word he's using to describe Apple as "alien" at least once. From context I assume he's talking about them being "not Android" but it always makes me laugh when I see it.
To be honest, ARM is also acting in bad faith.
So all the Elite chips are sporting the 2nd gen Oryon CPU, except for the X Elite which uses the 1st gen Oryon.Across both Snapdragon Ride Elite and Snapdragon Cockpit Elite is the second-generation Qualcomm Oryon CPU, a first for automotive and custom-built for vehicles.
To be honest, ARM is also acting in bad faith.
It seems to me that they won't just be satisfied with extracting more $$$ from Qualcomm. Instead, they have a vested interest in destroying the Oryon CPU project.
The new ARM cores are quite competitive and perform on par with Oryon.Because Oryon demonstrates once and for all that ARM's own designs are just not good and sends a message to all of ARM's partners that they better start their own in-house core design programs if they want to stay competitive. And ARM makes a lot more money selling cores than they do on architectural licenses, so they don't want that.
And more giant tech companies setting up their own design teams also decreases their reliance on ARM since they'll build up the design muscle necessary to potentially shift to another ISA such as RISC V down the lin. So ARM is scrambling, flexing their legal muscles to potentially kill Oryon but also to discourage others from trying to follow Qualcomm's lead.
For my part, I hope the industry is smart enough to realize that in light of ARM's belligerence their best play is to shift their investments towards RISC V.
SourceOfficial @Qualcomm statement from a spokesperson on the @Arm license news.
“This is more of the same from ARM – more unfounded threats designed to strongarm a longtime partner, interfere with our performance-leading CPUs, and increase royalty rates regardless of the broad rights under our architecture license. With a trial fast approaching in December, Arm’s desperate ploy appears to be an attempt to disrupt the legal process, and its claim for termination is completely baseless. We are confident that Qualcomm’s rights under its agreement with Arm will be affirmed. Arm’s anticompetitive conduct will not be tolerated.”
I don’t think so. Apple didn’t stop the Nvidia purchase of ARM, Qualcomm did.What if its not ARM that wants to take down Qualcomm, but... Apple?
Remember, Apple is part owner of ARM, and has incredible influence over ARM.
Apple does not sell chips. They don't care about this situation unless it affects them in some way, which is unlikely.What if its not ARM that wants to take down Qualcomm, but... Apple?
Remember, Apple is part owner of ARM, and has incredible influence over ARM.
Could also be Nvidia forcing ARM's hand. Remember that Qualcomm lobbied to block the Nvidia-ARM acquisition, so this may be Nvidia's means of payback. Also Rene Haas (present ARM CEO) is a former Nvidia employee and has good relations with Jensen Huang.What if its not ARM that wants to take down Qualcomm, but... Apple?
Remember, Apple is part owner of ARM, and has incredible influence over ARM.
InterestingQualcomm has confirmed that the Snapdragon 8 Elite features built-in UWB. This is the first Qualcomm chip with UWB onboard, which means smartphone brands like Samsung won't have to use a separate UWB chip.
So there isn't a discrete Fastconnect chip?The company has managed to fit Bluetooth, Wi-Fi, and UWB on the FastConnect 7900 system, which is fully integrated into the Snapdragon 8 Elite
Apple does not sell chips. They don't care about this situation unless it affects them in some way, which is unlikely.
Could also be Nvidia forcing ARM's hand. Remember that Qualcomm lobbied to block the Nvidia-ARM acquisition, so this may be Nvidia's means of payback. Also Rene Haas (present ARM CEO) is a former Nvidia employee and has good relations with Jensen Huang.
Apple wanted to destroy Nuvia, before they were bought by QCOM.I don’t think so. Apple didn’t stop the Nvidia purchase of ARM, Qualcomm did.
So maybe it’s just ARM being a bad actor here. Remember, custom cores on WoA are a threat not to Apple but ARM/Nvidia. Especially if Qualcomm enters the server market and makes inroads in client.
Plus if Apple had issues with Qualcomm they would sue directly.
FastConnect IP is integrated into the SoC.Base Galaxy S25 could have UWB, thanks to Snapdragon 8 Elite
Qualcomm unveiled the fastest chip ever made for Android devices, the Snapdragon 8 Elite, a few hours ago. It is ...www.sammobile.com
Interesting
So there isn't a discrete Fastconnect chip?
This is something that has always confused me. Is the Fastconnect chip integrated to the SoC or not?
To file a lawsuit is not the same as to destroy. Moreover, Apple withdrew its lawsuit to have trump cards after the release of its own 5g modem, when similar lawsuits are likely to come from Qualcomm.Apple wanted to destroy Nuvia, before they were bought by QCOM.
So ARM is scrambling, flexing their legal muscles to potentially kill Oryon but also to discourage others from trying to follow Qualcomm's lead.
The architecture license doesn't exclude core royalties as far as I know.yeah they do, core licensing is more $$$ than the ISA one.
Qualcomm complaining about anti-competitive behavior, funny.