My TLDR after listening to this
This 2 part series is to prepare for the 50 series launch. So they can show you how you wasted your money buying RTX 20-40 for ray tracing.
Metro EE was interesting as it looks much better than the RT implementation in the OG. But, and this made me chuckle, it looks on the same level as Red Dead 2 on how the presentation with mist and sunlight influences visuals at certain times of day. Even god rays in Fallout 4 looks better than the RT in the OG IMO.
The video takes the point across too: the only games where RT makes a clear difference are the ones built with RT in mind or heavily adapted afterwards.
I dislike the wet look as well, but I expect the number of games with this try hard approach will... dry up in the future.And even then you have to like it wet. I think that the wet look of many RT-games doesn't look very realistic or nice, but that is personal preference of course.
Indeed, it's all subjective. For my tastes we could have stopped with Red Dead Redemption 2 level of graphics but with higher quality textures and I'd be satisfied for a long long time. And as Tim rightly pointed out, some games suffer from having more realistic lighting and shadows.And even then you have to like it wet. I think that the wet look of many RT-games doesn't look very realistic or nice, but that is personal preference of course.
You forgot the -I dislike the wet look as well, but I expect the number of games with this try hard approach will... dry up in the future.
noted few key points:
- Ghost of Tsushima
- 0:00 Ghost of Tsushima 4K Very High - stuttery
- 4:35 Ghost of Tsushima 4K Very High DLSS P - 69 vs 39 avg & 62 vs 34 1%
- 5:58 Frame Generation uses more VRAM- Ghost of Tsushima 4K High DLSS Q FG - perf decreases for 8gb. 1% lows are 252% faster in 16gb
- 7:19 Ghost of Tsushima 1440p Very High DLSS Q FG - 16gb better
- Horizon Forbidden West
- 8:14 Horizon Forbidden West 4K Very High - 21% faster avg, 58% faster 1% lows. Spikes in 8gb
- 8:41 Horizon Forbidden West 4K Very High DLSS P - 16gb doubles perf from above, 8gb can't
- 9:10 Horizon Forbidden West 4K High - 9% faster avg, 39% faster 1%
- 9:36 Horizon Forbidden West 4K High DLSS P - 16gb reaches 63fps but 8gb struggles
- 10:03 Horizon Forbidden West 4K Medium DLSS P - 13% faster in 1% lows
- 10:30 Horizon Forbidden West 1440p Very High - 13% faster avg, 42% faater 1% lows
- 10:57 Horizon Forbidden West 1440p Very High DLSS Q - 80 vs 67 avg & 68 vs 42 1% low
- 12:08 Horizon Forbidden West 1080p Very High.- diff in performance
- Hellblade 2 (UE5 non-nvidia branch)
- 12:43 Hellblade 2 4K High - 8gb crippled
- Avatar 4K (engine streams diff texture quality for diff vram)
- 16:17 Avatar 4K High - 24 vs 19 1%
- Alan Wake 2
- 17:47 Alan Wake 2 4K High DLSS P - 8gb crushed
- 18:06 Alan Wake 2 4K Low DLSS P - 61 vs 49 avg, 45 vs 37 1%
- 18:29 Alan Wake 2 1440p RT High DLSS B - 17% avg, 35% 1%
- 18:56 Alan Wake 2 1440p RT High DLSS B FG - 57 vs 42 avg, 48 vs 33 1%
- 19:27 Alan Wake 2 1440p High - 10% better
- 19:47 Alan Wake 2 1440p High DLSS Q - 20% better
- 19:58 Alan Wake 2 1080p RT High DLSS Q - 17% faster 1%
- 20:13 Alan Wake 2 1080p RT High DLSS Q FG - 10% faster avg, 27% faster 1%
- 20:44 Alan Wake 2 1080p High - 10% better
- Resident Evil 4
- 21:02 Resident Evil 4 Remake 4K Max - 76% faster 1%, 17% faster avg, massive stutters
- 21:40 Resident Evil 4 1440p Max - 5 fps 1% massive stutters
- 22:23 Resident Evil 4 1080p Max - massive frametime spike in 1% lows
- Starfield
- 23:05 Starfield 4K Ultra DLSS P FG - 60% faster avg, 180% faster 1%
- Cyberpunk
- 24:26 Cyberpunk 2077 1440p RT Overdrive DLSS P - 6% faster avg, 14% faster 1% low
- 24:57 Cyberpunk 2077 1440p RT OVerdrive DLSS P FG - 56 vs 26 1% low. Massive spikes/stutters
- 25:23 Cyberpunk 2077 1080p RT Overdrive DLSS Q - 52 vs 42 avg, 44 vs 34 1% -
- 25:50 Cyberpunk 2077 1080p RT Overdrive DLSS Q FG - 58% better 1% lows
Very true. They turned an option for previous gen plebs into a premium feature for the deep pockets and laughing all the way to the bank!Upscaling I find better than frame gen but I'd still rather run at native resolution. It seems like you need the latest and greatest GPUs to take advantage of the best upscaling options and, in my opinion, the latest and greatest GPUs shouldn't need to be upscaling stuff!
They (nvidia especially) are going to have to up the PR game,
That's how you get RTX Off-ed.Hardware Unboxed is going to get their review samples of Blackwell cut off. Might we see "Stern Email 2.0"?
It's been 6yrs already and RT still sucks. So maybe in a couple of years more devs will make use of RT in an effective way? Now THAT's funny. We will be a full decade in and RT will have arrived, if things go well? Great, that's when it should factor into purchasing decisions. Until then it really is an Nvidia editorial direction talking point that every reviewer including HUB pushes.This thread is kind of funny because the whole value prop of the PS5 Pro is in Pisser. And maybe the better RT.
Granted the Pro doesn't seem to be selling all that much. But perhaps it might give devs more encouragement to make better use of RT.
*Until then it really is an NvidiaUntil then it really is an Nvidia editorial
It raises the bar of consoles to 4070 or 4070 super from a 6700xt earlierThis thread is kind of funny because the whole value prop of the PS5 Pro is in Pisser. And maybe the better RT.
Granted the Pro doesn't seem to be selling all that much. But perhaps it might give devs more encouragement to make better use of RT.
My favorite part is they pimp the latest gen. Then when the next gen comes out they tell you how trash that gen is for ray tracing. 🤣 I was happy to see AMD and indy dev have taken the frame generation talking point away. I've read posts by RTX 20-30 owners that are kind of bent about that feature being paywalled.*Until then it really is an Nvidiaeditorialadvertorial (to sell the next gen xx90 gpu)
That won't make much difference on PC. Nvidia will simply keep paying to have RTX optimized for. A.I. based FSR is crucial of course. It just needs to be "trade offs" close and the last Nvidia marketing slide is killed off. Then we may get down to vram and bang for buck in the tiers most people shop, being the tie breakers.So amd sponsored / console based games could have better RT in future (that make use of FSR 4 for better upscaling)
It's been 6yrs already and RT still sucks. So maybe in a couple of years more devs will make use of RT in an effective way? Now THAT's funny. We will be a full decade in and RT will have arrived, if things go well? Great, that's when it should factor into purchasing decisions. Until then it really is an Nvidia editorial direction talking point that every reviewer including HUB pushes.