If Tensor G5 fails Google would definately have failed in the smartphone Market and even damage Android in the process
If Tensor G5 fails Google would definately have failed in the smartphone Market and even damage Android in the process
Some more scraps of information;Google Tensor/Pixel LinkedIn List
docs.google.com
A spreadsheet with the names of engineers who are part of Google's Tensor SoC team.
There are some veterans from Qualcomm, Intel, IBM etc... with 10+,20+ and even 30+ years of experience.
A lot of these people were hired in the last 3-4 years. It seems Google's bolstering their Tensor team as they wean off of Samsung LSI, and start to make their own fully in-house SoCs starting with Tensor G5.
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Information was sourced from this Reddit comment;
Laguna is the codename for TensorG5 and has appeared in Qualcomm-related content .
( Fabless, Foundry News. (2024.08.31. Samsung, Google, Qualcomm, AMD) )
It's hard to see this as a coincidence since it's not an old product, and Laguna doesn't fit the Snapdragon codename pattern.
If Google is working with Qualcomm through Laguna, we can imagine what specific areas it might be working on.
It could be something like Samsung's custom SoC team, or it could be trying to use Qualcomm IP like Oryon.
This becomes more plausible when you look at the following.
.3nm Gchip CPU 5.1GHz
When we say Gchip, it is common to think of it as a tensor, but if it is a 3nm tensor, it is reasonable to think of it as a TensorG5 (Laguna).
It's likely that it uses the ARM reference architecture, but the clock speed is too high for that to be the case.
Looking at the ARM announcement, the 3nm Cortex-X925 targets 3.6GHz.
Even if the 2nd and 3rd generation 3nm process is used, there is a limit to the increase in clock speed, and when predicting the release date of Tensor G5, it is difficult to see that it will use the successor architecture (Travis) of Cortex-X925.
5GHz is impossible using ARM reference architecture at 3nm.
Funny story this time there is Apple and Huawei who has interesting enough better chips than Google (and about Huawei is saying a lot seeing the foundry), but more than that, their OS are quite competitive and with also competitive AI features, Google would lose most of it's appeal.Why would it damage Android? And haven't most generations of Pixel had various shortcomings and various issues? Hasn't stopped buyers from coming back. It takes a lot for a brand as big as Google's to "fail" in the smartphone market, and using an SoC with subpar performance certainly wouldn't be the thing that makes that happen. Especially when their marketing would be all about AI, and not stellar GB6 results.
Funny story this time there is Apple and Huawei who has interesting enough better chips than Google (and about Huawei is saying a lot seeing the foundry), but more than that, their OS are quite competitive and with also competitive AI features, Google would lose most of it's appeal.
The Pixel in the Snapdragon (1 to 5) era was pretty much acceptable and even the Pixel 7 and 8a were quite decent.
no. it was the camera.it seems like a lot of the appeal of Pixel has been the "pure" Android that isn't layered with vendor crap like Samsung's, and because being a Google product it would get Android updates more reliably.
no. it was the camera.
Pixel 2 firmly but Pixel 1 kinda too.but didn't that selling point come later not on the first Pixel?
Yes, that was a legitimate advantage of the Pixel in in the early generations. Now, not so much. Other Android OEMs have caught up or surpassed them.no. it was the camera.
Huawei surpassed Pixel with P20 Pro and never really stopped (courtesy of ex-Nokia people, but still).Other Android OEMs have caught up or surpassed them.
The S23 line were the best Samsung did in a long time ago. heck, Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 is one of the best processors ever since the 865.I am fairly happy with my Pixel 9 Pro as compared my previous Pixel 7 experience. I don't game day to day so the lack of a high end Snapdragon doesn't really bother me but it does have the occasional extreme overheating feeling especially compared with my S23 Ultra which almost never does that.
I don't understand why they just don't use a Snapdragon like every other Android manufacturer? What is the benefit of this custom CPU?
It's for 2023-2025? or is a new brand one?I am not sure if the information is authentic. But it looks like there is a (former?) employee who has posted slides on Twitter from the Malibu (Pixel 26) Arch-Concept (from 2023).
Not sure if I should provide the link to his account. He seems to be trying to blackmail money from Google. Is there any forum rule that I should be aware of?
The Slides have the CPU/GPU Roadmap for Pixel (for Laguna, Malibu, Malibu+). Along with block diagrams for the GPU/DSP/ISP/TPU/etc and other miscellenous information that makes them seem legitimate.
The document is from 2023. It shows a CPU Roadmap to 2027 (which is listed as "MBU+"). A GPU Roadmap to P26 (which is listed as "Malibu"). A DSP Roadmap to Laguna (it says "under construction" for Malibu).It's for 2023-2025? or is a new brand one?
Just curious, do you have that CPU competitive analysis slide?The document is from 2023. It shows a CPU Roadmap to 2027 (which is listed as "MBU+"). A GPU Roadmap to P26 (which is listed as "Malibu"). A DSP Roadmap to Laguna (it says "under construction" for Malibu).
There is a CPU Competitve Analysis slide with a graph of Geekbench 5 from 2021 to 2026 between Apple, Qualcomm, Mediatek, and gChips. The figure for 2024 is close for Apple and Qualcomm but way off for Mediatek.
Does it say Google's working on custom CPU cores?I am not sure if the information is authentic. But it looks like there is a (former?) employee who has posted slides on Twitter from the Malibu (Pixel 26) Arch-Concept (from 2023).
Not sure if I should provide the link to his account. He seems to be trying to blackmail money from Google. Is there any forum rule that I should be aware of?
The Slides have the CPU/GPU Roadmap for Pixel (for Laguna, Malibu, Malibu+). Along with block diagrams for the GPU/DSP/ISP/TPU/etc and other miscellenous information that makes them seem legitimate.
I am not sure if the information is authentic. But it looks like there is a (former?) employee who has posted slides on Twitter from the Malibu (Pixel 26) Arch-Concept (from 2023).
Not sure if I should provide the link to his account. He seems to be trying to blackmail money from Google. Is there any forum rule that I should be aware of?
The Slides have the CPU/GPU Roadmap for Pixel (for Laguna, Malibu, Malibu+). Along with block diagrams for the GPU/DSP/ISP/TPU/etc and other miscellenous information that makes them seem legitimate.
I am not sure if the information is authentic. But it looks like there is a (former?) employee who has posted slides on Twitter from the Malibu (Pixel 26) Arch-Concept (from 2023).
Not sure if I should provide the link to his account. He seems to be trying to blackmail money from Google. Is there any forum rule that I should be aware of?
The Slides have the CPU/GPU Roadmap for Pixel (for Laguna, Malibu, Malibu+). Along with block diagrams for the GPU/DSP/ISP/TPU/etc and other miscellenous information that makes them seem legitimate.
For such a big node jump, the design choices are odd and seem to not exploit what could have been more performance…Massive Tensor G5 Leak:
Full Tensor G5 specs reveal big and small changes coming to the Pixel 10
It's only been two months since the release of the Pixel 9, and we already have specs for the Pixel 10's Tensor G5!www.androidauthority.com
Don't forget Maleoon.Apple GPU
mRDNA
Mali/Immortalis
Imagination
Adreno
So many different mobile GPUs.
This must be a nightmare for game devs.