Opinion: Jordan Peterson has always been a crank

mikeymikec

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JP was mentioned in another thread and I didn't want to de-rail that thread hence I created this one.

In that thread someone suggested that he produced insightful content in 2017, so I did a bit of browsing around and finally came to the conclusion that he's always been a bit of a nut.

I scan-read an article by The Guardian then decided that the best thing to do was to go straight to the source:
I sorted the videos by oldest first, and watched the first which mercifully is only 13 minutes long:

I didn't get far into it to be honest. The warning signs were "I'm an ex-atheist", "God created man and woman so everything divides into masculine and feminine and one needs the other to make a whole", "the patriarchy isn't a thing", "modern people don't think like this", and "women make men self-conscious" then I more or less gave up there. It comes across as a long ramble along the lines of "I found God, now I'm going to mash everything else I can think of into that belief", rather like the fear/love scale in the film 'Donnie Darko'.

More warning signs IMO are vague topic titles and immensely long video clips like this gem here:
The Guardian summarised this clip as:
The Guardian said:
Peterson was troubled by two developments: a federal amendment to add gender identity and expression to the Canadian Human Rights Act; and his university’s plans for mandatory anti-bias training. Starting from there, he railed against Marxism, human rights organisations, HR departments and “an underground apparatus of radical left political motivations” forcing gender-neutral pronouns on him.
To which my response is "diddums", and you know when someone is full of shit when they start unleashing terms like "the radical left".

JP's style very much reminds me of other cranks I've seen on the Internet. One in particular was on a newsgroup or forum over twenty years ago and their signature said something like "Who is I?" followed by some apparently-random characters like "** QO RP I GB ZX** " as if inviting other users to explore the deep inner meaning to their pseudointellectual bullshit.

I'm open to a persuasive argument but one thing I refuse to do is to watch a ~hour long YT clip with only vague justification for why I should potentially waste my time with it. The only time I'll watch hour-long video clips when the topic very much interests me. By all means quote a bit, or cite a few minutes of a clip.
 
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dank69

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Well, he's been around a lot longer than that. I assume he started his academy since he couldn't teach at a normal institution anymore, and that was a result of his deranged views on gender leading to misinterpreting the ramifications of a law regarding it. I'm sure he is a smart man and knows a lot of shit, but unfortunately that doesn't preclude people from making mistakes and refusing to learn from them.
 
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Amused

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Bigots have ALWAYS labeled their opposition as "marxist" and communist."

All the way back to MLK.

People want you to watch entire videos because of the power of persuasion among cults of personality. Take out the talking points and fact check it and the entire mountain of BS falls apart.
 

skyking

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Thanks @mikeymikec for taking several for the team. I too will typically not sit through a long video if it is not on point with something that really interests me, and your analysis of JP seems solid.
 
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thraashman

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The Youtube show Some More News did a short video (don't check the timestamp) about Jordan Peterson a couple years ago. It's worth a watch.
 
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Perknose

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Thanks mikeymike! I've reconnected with an old friend, very smart, very politically savvy, who nevertheless went at least part way down the Jordan Peterson rabbit hole. JFC!

My fave from your OP was, "women make men self-conscious"
 
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JP may actually be smart for all i know, but i do know he can’t articulate his thoughts well for people not in his field of study. He comes across as a wannabe intellectual blowhard who can’t make a point.
 

Moonbeam

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I was told by other people that Jordan Peterson is a nut job so I won't waste a second of my time on him. And I can easily justify that decision because you all know I'm an imbecile.
 

outriding

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I was told by other people that Jordan Peterson is a nut job so I won't waste a second of my time on him. And I can easily justify that decision because you all know I'm an imbecile.

I think that is being nice. I would have much harsher words for that person
 

Moonbeam

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I think that is being nice. I would have much harsher words for that person
Well I going to have to wait to hear what sort of harsh words are in vogue before I go out on as limb and invent any on my own. So for the time being I'm sticking to nut job. It's seems to be approved.
 
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