Question Laptop SoCs: Qualcomm vs Apple vs AMD vs Intel

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SpudLobby

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galaxy book 16. Also known as the crappiest SDXE laptop on battery life and afaict weird firmware bs.

Even irrespective of that since it’s in Linux etc I believe Andrei here, because we have a ton of data from the XPS 9345 in both CPU-light/heavy intermittent web browsing in 3 different cases and video and it’s either + - 5%, or in fact QC wins on the web browsing one substantially.
 

Hitman928

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Trying to judge SoC power/efficiency from system level measurements with no controls or even way to measure the system level power is a fool's errand. It shouldn't be a surprise that you can get very different results with different test systems (or OS) even when using the exact same SOC.
 

SpudLobby

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Trying to judge SoC power/efficiency from system level measurements with no controls or even way to measure the system level power is a fool's errand. It shouldn't be a surprise that you can get very different results with different test systems (or OS) even when using the exact same SOC.
I agree but think you are missing the plot: this is exactly the point I am implicitly & explicitly making, because that is part of what Geekerwan is intending to do for his audience and everyone knows this, the system level (laptop itself) part is actually a peripheral matter to him.

It’s not clever to point this out in response when the status quo reaction right now is “Lunar Lake has lower idle Qualcomm sux Intel caught up to Apple what a killer job” etc which is truly the dullest take possible as I explained.



Which brings me to my next point I already iterated: we have the king of controls anyway with ecological validity too for discerning about as much as we could via the XPS 9345 for Lunar Lake and Qualcomm’s X Elite, with both obviously coordinating with Dell to reduce every bit of system drain and parasitic taken for granted — read the leaked Dell Docs on that.


And at any rate they’re remarkably similar, Intel wins by an hour or two on a 27-29 hour offline playback test and QC seems to either tie or pull ahead in web browsing.

I don’t fault Geekerwan for any of this as system implementation or OS and drivers is functionally a relevant variable but we have good reason to believe the Galaxy Book on Linux is harming the results and not mirroring what we see in other laptops with the X Elite.
 

Hitman928

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I agree but think you are missing the plot: this is exactly the point I am implicitly & explicitly making, because that is part of what Geekerwan is intending to do for his audience and everyone knows this, the system level (laptop itself) part is actually a peripheral matter to him.

It’s not clever to point this out in response when the status quo reaction right now is “Lunar Lake has lower idle Qualcomm sux Intel caught up to Apple what a killer job” etc which is truly the dullest take possible as I explained.



Which brings me to my next point I already iterated: we have the king of controls anyway with ecological validity too for discerning about as much as we could via the XPS 9345 for Lunar Lake and Qualcomm’s X Elite, with both obviously coordinating with Dell to reduce every bit of system drain and parasitic taken for granted — read the leaked Dell Docs on that.


And at any rate they’re remarkably similar, Intel wins by an hour or two on a 27-29 hour offline playback test and QC seems to either tie or pull ahead in web browsing.

I don’t fault Geekerwan for any of this as system implementation or OS and drivers is functionally a relevant variable but we have good reason to believe the Galaxy Book on Linux is harming the results and not mirroring what we see in other laptops with the X Elite.

It was a general comment, which is why I didn't quote reply anyone.
 
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poke01

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No offence, but it doesn't look like a blowout at all to me. In fact, it looks like a 12 core Zen 5 is beating a 14 core M3. Note: it is doing this from a process node behind (N4P vs N3E I believe).
M3 is on N3B. Using Passmark to judge performance is not good. Just look at this chart, it doesn’t even make sense.


Also there is no way M3 max 14 core is losing to HX 370 in real world CPU tests.
Especially when the base M3 in a fanless laptop comes close to a HX 365 while using less power in Blender.

Now add 6 more P cores and a fan and you get the M3 Max.


In any case in the laptop space everyone has their own use cases and Zen5 isn’t competing with M3 but M4 as well.
 
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