Elon Musk now owns 9.2% of twitter...update.. will soon be the sole owner as Board of Directors accepts his purchase offer

Brovane · Oct 29, 2024

fskimospy said:
People drive TO Bakersfield? Crazy.

I can see how in some limited situations FSD has utility but that utility seems pretty small to me - certainly not worth the nearly $10k you would spend over the life of your car on it.

In-laws are in Bakersfield, yes it is crazy. My wife is very happy she escaped and we only have to visit.

To me it had much less utility when you had to spend $200 a month for FSD. Once they dropped the price to $100 it changed the equation for me. Overall I love how it works on Freeway and have become a lot more confident overall in the system so I have been able to relax, which I have found reduces driver fatigue. We are going to the Bay Area around Thanksgiving so I am interested to see how the system works on the drive.

fskimospy · Oct 29, 2024

Brovane said:
In-laws are in Bakersfield, yes it is crazy. My wife is very happy she escaped and we only have to visit.

Years ago I met someone who had lived in CA for a year and said it was the worst place she’d ever lived. I think CA is a nice place so I was confused and asked her where and she replied Bakersfield. Then it all made sense.

Brovane said:
To me it had much less utility when you had to spend $200 a month for FSD. Once they dropped the price to $100 it changed the equation for me. Overall I love how it works on Freeway and have become a lot more confident overall in the system so I have been able to relax, which I have found reduces driver fatigue. We are going to the Bay Area around Thanksgiving so I am interested to see how the system works on the drive.

Hey if it works for you that’s great - I generally avoid long car rides as either a passenger or a driver because they make me crazy, even just as a passenger.

I’ve driven across country twice in my life and if all goes well, never again.

Zorba · Oct 29, 2024

fskimospy said:
I don't drive much these days but I struggle to understand the utility here. How is this better than regular driving if I have to do all the same things?

I think this is why they always sold this as the whole 'you can nap in your car as it drives you around' because that's something genuinely useful.

I personally hate lane keep assist as it fights me in weird and unpredictable ways. The attention monitor systems all seem to be junk too, they start going nuts if I tilt my head slightly, but not if I'm looking down too much.

VashHT · Oct 29, 2024

I had lane assist on a Ford Edge I had as a rental, I ended up turning it off because it was trying to lane assist me into a car that was drifting over the white lines on the highway. Also screwed up sometimes in construction areas it seemed like. My car is a 2016 and only has blind spot indicators and a backup camera which I like, the blind spot indicators unnecessarily beep on occasion but it's not enough to annoy me, mostly seems to get mixed up when multiple turn lanes are involved. The warning on the backup camera has saved my ass a few times since I usually can't see shit backing up in a parking lot since my car is usually surrounded by giant SUVs/trucks.

MrSquished · Oct 29, 2024

Waymo has been level 4 for a while now, that is the only reason they are actually FSD cars in places like San Fran and I think one other city. Tesla is light years behind them. I think Mercedes got to Level 3 for highway driving in some models last year too. Haven't kept up with everyone else.

MrSquished · Oct 29, 2024

Does anyone think Elon is anywhere near this?

https://www.autoweek.com/news/a62735122/waymo-2024-robotaxi-statistics/

Jaskalas · Oct 30, 2024

Brovane said:
I have found FSD reduces fatigue while driving long distances on freeways.

As a passenger in a long distance drive, I get bored, grow tired, and struggle to stay awake / pay attention.
Actively being the driver keeps me alert and awake.
FSD would make me a passenger in the driver's seat. Would be a really bad idea until they no longer require a driver at all. Both functionally and legally.

uallas5 · Oct 30, 2024

borosp1 said:
Musk's petition in ONLY battleground states for free speech & bare arms requires participants to register to vote which is illegal.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1850907039108669936

Honestly if I was in a swing state, I would sign up for this. A million bucks? You bet!

Make a video declaring my support for the 1st and 2nd amendments? No Problem!

I just don't think they'd agree with what I would say in the video:

1st - I fully support the 1st Amendment. Not just freedom of speech (which guarantees that the government cannot infringe on my right to say "Trump is a bloated, festering garbage patch") but also guarantees the freedom of RELIGION. That this freedom of religion applies to ALL religions, not just the majority Christianity. It also applies to Atheists as it's just as much freedom FROM religion as it is OF religion.

2nd - I fully support the 2nd Amendment in ALL of historical contrast. By that I mean real history, not the Saturday morning TV westerns version that Alito seems to subscribe to. A "Militia" is a state sponsored and controlled organization, i.e. the modern National Guard. "Infringed" does not mean slightly limited, but, as it did in the 1700's, means to be fully taken away. I fully support a person's right to own a firearm but it's not an unlimited right, no rights are.

At this point, I would remind the viewer that Rights are not like regular cake. If it's found that some person or group is granted more rights (which is really just guaranteeing pre-existing rights) for whatever reason, it does not lessen the rights that everyone has. The more that everyone shares in this never contracting cake we call Rights, the better the bounty for all.

*At this point, they will refuse my prize money, at which point I will point I will be forced to sue Elon. I'm sure there are plenty of lawyers that would jump at the chance to sue him pro-bono for a chunk of the settlement. I will declare publicly that Elon doesn't care about Free Speech that he doesn't agree with.

cytg111 · Oct 30, 2024

MrSquished said:
Does anyone think Elon is anywhere near this?

https://www.autoweek.com/news/a62735122/waymo-2024-robotaxi-statistics/

That is why he needs to get into office in the shadow cabinet of Trump... to change the rules.

uallas5 · Oct 30, 2024

Trump's pick for Treasury Secretary, billionaire John Paulson, is saying his is going to "work" with Musk to greatly reduce spending by:

"getting rid of the subsidies for green energy in the Inflation Reduction Act, which he referred to as the Green New Deal.

“All of these tax subsidies for solar, for wind, inefficient, uneconomic energy sources,” said Paulson. “Eliminate that. That brings down spending.”

So, Elon's going to let them gut a major source of income for Telsa? I get the fact he's so unhinged in his "anti-woke agenda", i.e. I was a shitty father and now I'm lashing out because my kid is trans but still.

I guess he's really gone off the deep end and jumped the shark into the mouth of the leopard, face eating party.

Free article:

https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/john-paulson-trump-treasury-secretary-elon-musk-c619ef9f?st=vfvVz5&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

K1052 · Oct 30, 2024

uallas5 said:
Trump's pick for Treasury Secretary, billionaire John Paulson, is saying his is going to "work" with Musk to greatly reduce spending by:

"getting rid of the subsidies for green energy in the Inflation Reduction Act, which he referred to as the Green New Deal.

“All of these tax subsidies for solar, for wind, inefficient, uneconomic energy sources,” said Paulson. “Eliminate that. That brings down spending.”

So, Elon's going to let them gut a major source of income for Telsa? I get the fact he's so unhinged in his "anti-woke agenda", i.e. I was a shitty father and now I'm lashing out because my kid is trans but still.

I guess he's really gone off the deep end and jumped the shark into the mouth of the leopard, face eating party.

Free article:

https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/john-paulson-trump-treasury-secretary-elon-musk-c619ef9f?st=vfvVz5&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

What's funny is the vast majority of the investment and jobs created from the IRA has been in red states. Repealing it will dramatically hit their economies.

I would expect a Tesla shaped hole in whatever changes to the IRA/tax code/tarrifs are made and literally almost everybody else in the country gets fucked.

K1052 · Oct 30, 2024

cytg111 said:
That is why he needs to get into office in the shadow cabinet of Trump... to change the rules.

If he can capture the government with his money he'll use it to put his rivals out of business.

Brovane · Oct 30, 2024

Jaskalas said:
As a passenger in a long distance drive, I get bored, grow tired, and struggle to stay awake / pay attention.
Actively being the driver keeps me alert and awake.
FSD would make me a passenger in the driver's seat. Would be a really bad idea until they no longer require a driver at all. Both functionally and legally.

You don't use Adaptive cruise control or automated steering on other cars?
Personally for myself I just keep my hands on my knees and let the car do the driving will I monitor the flow of traffic.

K1052 · Oct 30, 2024

Brovane said:
You don't use Adaptive cruise control or automated steering on other cars?

When I bought my latest i3 it took me a while to find the trim and model year I wanted with ACC. Not a feature I'm willing to forgo anymore. I have less confidence in lane keeping systems when I've encountered them though.

zinfamous · Oct 30, 2024

Drach said:
I like the automatic braking feature on my truck. It saved someone else and myself one time.

it saved me and someone else once, and almost wrecked me and however behind me, once. It's a push, so far.

Actually, VW has a class action out against their auto-braking system being far too touchy and causing lots of accidents, so it might be a worse offender.

Pens1566 · Oct 30, 2024

zinfamous said:
it saved me and someone else once, and almost wrecked me and however behind me, once. It's a push, so far.

Actually, VW has a class action out against their auto-braking system being far too touchy and causing lots of accidents, so it might be a worse offender.

I turned if off in my Golf R. It was always WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too early (even with the big red warning light).

Jaskalas · Oct 31, 2024

The Twitter purchase, revealed.
Team Treason's loudest voice for overthrowing Democracy.

Elon Musk Wants You to Think This Election’s Being Stolen | X is now a political weapon.

Only Musk can know what he thought he was buying two years ago, though it seems clear the purchase was ideological in nature. In any case, the true value of X—the specific, chaotic return on his investment—has become readily apparent in these teeth-gnashing final days leading up to November 5. For Musk, the platform has become a useful political weapon of confusion, a machine retrofitted to poison the information environment by filling it with dangerous, false, and unsubstantiated rumors about election fraud that can reach mass audiences. How much does it cost to successfully (to use Steve Bannon’s preferred phrasing) flood the zone with shit? Thanks to Musk’s acquisition, we can put a figure on it: $44 billion.

trenchfoot · Oct 31, 2024

Musk laid his hand down and let it be known that the First Amendment rights to free speech included every person's right to lie, deceive, disinform and fling spurious accusations for partisan political advantage as he did when he gave Trump his twitter account back.

And now, as he has revealed how his purchase of twitter was solely meant to give himself a very loud and influential personal social media outlet, he and Trump have also let on how he will personally benefit from his exploitation of X and his endorsement of the future Felon-in-Chief by gaining a seat at the side of Trump where he will be able to whisper sweet nothings in Trump's ears.

Is it possible for a future administration to get even more blatantly corrupt than that? Where this intentional corruption of the gov't is being so openly displayed with, of all things, the blessing and support of the obviously corrupted Supreme Court of the United States?

And this is what every person who votes for Trump feels is their patriotic duty to fulfill? Really? I mean how insanely and tragically hilarious is that? And why oh why is it such a heinously focused enrapturing goal for millions of Americans to believe that destroying democracy is a worthy price to pay for establishing an autocracy that they themselves will be become indentured servile peasants under?

How this is happening right before my very eyes is still and will always be a fascinating tragedy if it comes to be or even if it doesn't. There still remains the fact that almost half the nation thinks what Trump is promising he'll do is not going to really happen because they've been letting him get away with all those other lies, empty promises and crimes he's been committing over the years. Just wait 'til they become personally affected from Trump betraying their trust and turns on them because they will be of no use to him from the day he takes over.

Apologies for the rant. It's good to let off some steam every once in awhile.

igor_kavinski · Oct 31, 2024

trenchfoot said:
Apologies for the rant. It's good to let off some steam every once in awhile.

As far as rants go, yours are very well written

Some politicians would actually pay you handsomely to write speeches for them, if you were to turn to the Dark Side

trenchfoot · Oct 31, 2024

igor_kavinski said:
As far as rants go, yours are very well written

Some politicians would actually pay you handsomely to write speeches for them, if you were to turn to the Dark Side

Nah, it's how much I despise the felon Trump and his conniving lackeys that gives me the inspiration to put thought to print. Without that, I'm just a dumbass liberal with nothing more than my right to have my vote count for something. Thanks for the kind words though.

Dave_5k · Oct 31, 2024

trenchfoot said:
Musk laid his hand down and let it be known that the First Amendment rights to free speech included every person's right to lie, deceive, disinform and fling spurious accusations for partisan political advantage as he did when he gave Trump his twitter account back.

And furthermore, his "free speech" includes the right for him to censor, block, and retaliate against any that dare fact check Musk's non-stop, mass election-interference of lies to support Trump

hal2kilo · Oct 31, 2024

uallas5 said:
Honestly if I was in a swing state, I would sign up for this. A million bucks? You bet!

Make a video declaring my support for the 1st and 2nd amendments? No Problem!

I just don't think they'd agree with what I would say in the video:

1st - I fully support the 1st Amendment. Not just freedom of speech (which guarantees that the government cannot infringe on my right to say "Trump is a bloated, festering garbage patch") but also guarantees the freedom of RELIGION. That this freedom of religion applies to ALL religions, not just the majority Christianity. It also applies to Atheists as it's just as much freedom FROM religion as it is OF religion.

2nd - I fully support the 2nd Amendment in ALL of historical contrast. By that I mean real history, not the Saturday morning TV westerns version that Alito seems to subscribe to. A "Militia" is a state sponsored and controlled organization, i.e. the modern National Guard. "Infringed" does not mean slightly limited, but, as it did in the 1700's, means to be fully taken away. I fully support a person's right to own a firearm but it's not an unlimited right, no rights are.

At this point, I would remind the viewer that Rights are not like regular cake. If it's found that some person or group is granted more rights (which is really just guaranteeing pre-existing rights) for whatever reason, it does not lessen the rights that everyone has. The more that everyone shares in this never contracting cake we call Rights, the better the bounty for all.

*At this point, they will refuse my prize money, at which point I will point I will be forced to sue Elon. I'm sure there are plenty of lawyers that would jump at the chance to sue him pro-bono for a chunk of the settlement. I will declare publicly that Elon doesn't care about Free Speech that he doesn't agree with.

I'd turn around and use that money to publicly say "thanks for the money, but I'm still voting for Kamala".

quikah · Oct 31, 2024

MrSquished said:
Waymo has been level 4 for a while now, that is the only reason they are actually FSD cars in places like San Fran and I think one other city. Tesla is light years behind them. I think Mercedes got to Level 3 for highway driving in some models last year too. Haven't kept up with everyone else.

Waymo has full sensor packages on all their cars. They have also been doing it for >10 years (I suffered in traffic behind their slow firefly prototypes for several years way too many times ~8 yrs ago). I think Tesla f'ed themselves by relying on only cameras.

MrSquished · Oct 31, 2024

quikah said:
Waymo has full sensor packages on all their cars. They have also been doing it for >10 years (I suffered in traffic behind their slow firefly prototypes for several years way too many times ~8 yrs ago). I think Tesla f'ed themselves by relying on only cameras.

That's exactly what I've been saying, well, me and a shitload of other people who are not drinking the Elon kool-aid.

Pens1566 · Oct 31, 2024

quikah said:
Waymo has full sensor packages on all their cars. They have also been doing it for >10 years (I suffered in traffic behind their slow firefly prototypes for several years way too many times ~8 yrs ago). I think Tesla f'ed themselves by relying on only cameras.

And they're all over PHX. You can't be at a stop light and not see one. My personal record last weekend was 5 at one four way.

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