Let's suppose it doesn't help in bandwidth. There's still the possibility of running the CUDIMM at lower latencies at 6400 MT/s, like CL26 or even lower. The stabilized signal integrity of CUDIMM should help there.Except it doesn't because of other bandwidth limitations and infinity fabric. It doesn't really help until those things are addressed
More relevant to feelings for this crowd is the question if, or rather when, supply matches demand.I feel bad for the crowd waiting for new XDD!
Is this just your hope, or has this actually been demonstrated anywhere? CUDIMM is about allowing for faster clock ticks without losing clock signal integrity, and that's it. But when it comes to access latency, you are still dealing with the same old SDRAM technology, which keeps needing many clock cycles to get an access done.Let's suppose it doesn't help in bandwidth. There's still the possibility of running the CUDIMM at lower latencies at 6400 MT/s, like CL26 or even lower. The stabilized signal integrity of CUDIMM should help there.
It's number one on Amazon even at $477, at the moment.If you think a 30$ price hike is too much for unrivaled #1 gaming performance, i guess you can wait 1 or 2 years for it to drop below 400$, same as with the 7800X3D, which btw have been selling like hot cakes from its very release.
It's cognitive dissonance at best. Poorly thought out talking points propaganda at worst. While I do not care for frames per dollar charts for numerous reasons, at the current $477 it is still near the top in value. With all of the CPUs rating better, being lower performance and ASP parts. With a $30 price hike the 9800X3D will surpass it. However, I expect launch pricing from retailers will unfortunately include gouging. E.G. Newegg lists the MSRP $590 285K for $630 (if you could buy one)I don't get it - Nvidia raises prices by hundreds of dollars every generation and they get totally sold out everywhere, but AMD adding $30 to the price of what appears to be the best gaming CPU around is the end of the world?
People should also remember the X3D chip is not NEEDED for good quality gaming. Anyone who wants to ride the value wave can always go with a midrange CPU or wait a bit.I don't get it - Nvidia raises prices by hundreds of dollars every generation and they get totally sold out everywhere, but AMD adding $30 to the price of what appears to be the best gaming CPU around is the end of the world?
Right now its $595 USED, no other options. (at Amazon US)It's number one on Amazon even at $477, at the moment.
It's cognitive dissonance at best. Poorly thought out talking points propaganda at worst. While I do not care for frames per dollar charts for numerous reasons, at the current $477 it is still near the top in value. With all of the CPUs rating better, being lower performance and ASP parts. With a $30 price hike the 9800X3D will surpass it. However, I expect launch pricing from retailers will unfortunately include gouging. E.G. Newegg lists the MSRP $590 285K for $630 (if you could buy one)
, I just found it there at Amazon for $477 WTF ???Right now its $595 USED, no other options. (at Amazon US)
I think Amazon promotes other vendors that pay for it? Or they are trying to duck legal action over market dominance, or both?, I just found it there at Amazon for $477 WTF ???
Is this just your hope, or has this actually been demonstrated anywhere?
7950X3D first hit on google is shipped and sold by for $598 - https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-7950X3D-Hexadeca-core-Processor/dp/B0BTRH9MNSIf you search for 7950x3d no price comes up. Then other l options gives 595. Then another place and the 477 comes up. Very odd and both are used
lol call me tech Nostradamus. Lisa recognizes this is a true unrivaled product and the same folks who purchase 5090s will be purchasing this.Zen 5 X3D, much like RTX 4090, will have no competition and thus will be priced accordingly. And since that competitive landscape will likely not change anytime soon, I expect the price to have lasting power. It is what it is. Im officially expecting $479.99 USD launch pricing. Oh and about that DM earlier disregard it. I spoke too early it seems. 🤷♂️
Predict 9900X3D and 9950X3D prices!lol call me tech Nostradamus.
In this particular market, you may be correct; however, it is a pretty small piece of the picture overall.In the DIY/retail space there is no need at present. Performance talks BS walks. All of the polls by tech sites/tubers the last year or so, have AMD at 70%+ share. 5 will get you 50 when the next polls are conducted, 3D CPUs alone will exceed all Intel CPUs put together; they were already close to doing it last go around. As I mused last week, are tech sites/tubers really that influential? They all say don''t build AM4 new, but it stays near the top in sales. It is evident that the user to user network and real bang for buck are winning, and our crowd is not nearly so susceptible to the contrived narratives.
Even prebuilts aren't safe anymore. The Halloween numbers for Intel are expected to be truly frightening. I've read S.I.s were ramping up Ryzen to replace defective raptor. Everyone but Dell of course, and they are doing mass layoffs in concert with Intel. That's how well that's playing out. Perhaps the reason arrow was rushed was to try to stem the bleeding there?
That reviewers are pulling these shenanigans is disappointing but not surprising. It's feels like a last ditch effort and it is falling flat. Nvidia won mindshare of an entire generation while AMD's graphics division floundered. We are watching that playout in the CPU space with AMD winning the mindshare.
I read an Intel exec admit in so many words, that without the contra revenue, credits, and ad costs sharing, Intel is in a tough spot. Millions of defective raptor systems also pushed many clients too far. The shine is off the penny as it were. I could be wrong, that happens a lot, but I like the odds at the moment.
3D has become synonymous with flagship gaming; it's a hell of a combo breaker. I expect no matter what reviewers shovel, gamers always end up with the straight dope. 9800X3D will win more mindshare yet, is my best guess.
LMAO I'd call him on the 40% faster claim, but testing with 24H2 it is probably accurate or perhaps even conservative.
I heard an 8% performance increase over the 7800x3D. If that is correct, AMD could release a 7800x3D on N4P and it would be equal to the 9800x3D with nice efficiency gains as well. If they throw in the new v-cache stacking used on Zen 5. We could have an old 7800x3D being the king of gaming again. I know that is not what AMD wants but that is what it looks like on paper. N4P is good silicon and gives a nice efficiency gain and performance gains close to the performance difference between the 7800x3D and 9800x3D.+200 MHz and +7% to MSRP, sad.
No meaningful frequency boost plus it's increased in price.
LMAO I'd call him on the 40% faster claim, but testing with 24H2 it is probably accurate or perhaps even conservative.
No arguments here. I was referring to his seeing 40% over arrow in certain games. He could legit compare it to 24H2 and anyone whinging could kick rocks because that is the latest windows and should be the tested version. Not this best case scenario the reviewers are pushing.The claim is:
- 8% faster than 7800x3d
- 20% faster than Arrow Lake
Which sounds credible.
They tested with 7900xtx with high settings. Whole left side is 100% gpu limited. Relevant tests are farcry6 hogwarts and warhammer as they are cpu heavy and there your looking at 20%+I heard an 8% performance increase over the 7800x3D. If that is correct, AMD could release a 7800x3D on N4P and it would be equal to the 9800x3D with nice efficiency gains as well. If they throw in the new v-cache stacking used on Zen 5. We could have an old 7800x3D being the king of gaming again. I know that is not what AMD wants but that is what it looks like on paper. N4P is good silicon and gives a nice efficiency gain and performance gains close to the performance difference between the 7800x3D and 9800x3D.
This is straight from TSMC.
N4P offers an 11% performance boost compared to N5 and entered risk production in July 2022. The N4 and N4P nodes are design rules-compatible with 5nm technology for easy design migration. The 5nm (N5) node is optimized for both mobile and High Performance Computing (HPC) applications.