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cyberjedi

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I'm looking to buy a *RELIABLE* NVME-USB external adapter, that doesn't disconnect randomly, can keep up the close to 1GB/s speed.
So far all adapter's reviews contain frighteningly high % of reports of malfunction, random disconnects, sub-par speeds, falling to even under USB 2.0 speeds, etc.
There are 3 main chipsets in the market: JMicron JMS583, Asmedia ASM2362, and Realtek RTL9210 (no product has surfaced with the latter yet, so no REAL reviews, experiences yet UPDATE: it is on the market already).
Also ASUS has a new product, ROG Strix Arion, but there isn't enough feedback about it yet, and I mean real life feedback not just being able to run a few benchmarks, but real stress test to see if the device (adapter) can keep it up, without disconnecting or slowing down hard.
I would really appreciate any feedback from those who have GOOD experiences during stress-tests, like tons of random 4k writes with a stable speed, cloning 100's of GB-s at a stable high speed close to 1GB/s.
I know SSD's very well, so please stick to the point and don't start to educate me on how their speed falls after some writes, etc. I'm aware and this is NOT the point.
You can help if you can point me to a STABLE and RELIABLE NVMe-USB-C adapter that WORKS as expected.
Thank you in advance!
 
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fzabkar

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Mate, you can get rid of Amazon's tracking garbage by trimming the URL:

https://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-Type-C-Tool-Free-Enclosure-EC-SNVE/dp/B08RVC6F9Y/ref=sr_1_8

In any case, why don't people quote the manufacturer's URL rather than some arbitrary retailer?

https://sabrent.com/products/ec-snve

Personally, I would see which bridge IC the major manufacturers (eg WD/SanDisk) are using with their external SSD products. They would do proper testing. As I see it, Sabrent is just an OEM vendor of rebadged generic products.

BTW, neither site mentions the bridge IC, so there is no reason to choose this adaptor over any other. After all, this thread's purpose is to identify a stable bridge IC and firmware version. Sabrent's adaptor is just a black box whose contents can change at any time (as long as they satisfy the marketing blurb).
 
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Ali_Ben_Bongo

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JumpingCat said:
RTL9210B ordered, got JMS581DL. Is this good or bad?

I ordered an ICY BOX IB-1817MC-C31. It should use the RTL9210B according to the datasheet https://raidsonic-static-content.s3...om/IcyBox/Files/datasheet_IB-1817MC-C31_d.pdf . I opened it and found an JMS581DL.

Is this good or bad?
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Hey @JumpingCat

Any chance you can provide a firmware backup? (You can use the MP Tool v1.19.17.6 that's in the JMS583 168.0.2.0.7 download on Station-Drivers - I used that to back up mine and posted it here: http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=threads/jmicron-jms581d-chipset-firmware.2620551/)

Hoping we might be able to start building a collection as there doesn't seem to be any firmware for this chip yet ...... Would also be interested in seeing what version yours has
 
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bsly1314

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fantom3l said:
Why it's so difficult to share a link to a hoster that does not expire. LINK 2.0.9 JMS583 for NewMaxx and all others.
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Hello, thank you for the extremely stable link that doesn't expire after almost four years! Horray!

However, the firmware didn't work for me. I came to the conclusion that I have got a faulty JMS583 adapter.

The issue is, my adapter only works okay in USB 3.0 (or 3.1/3.2 Gen1, or 5Gbps) mode, but will freeze after seconds in USB 3.1 (or Gen2, or 10Gbps) mode.

Do you have any idea on how to disable USB 3.1 10Gbps handshake in the firmware? I know that may be hard or even impossible, so any thoughts are appreciated.
 
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Ali_Ben_Bongo

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bsly1314 said:
Hello, thank you for the extremely stable link that doesn't expire after almost four years! Horray!

However, the firmware didn't work for me. I came to the conclusion that I have got a faulty JMS583 adapter.

The issue is, my adapter only works okay in USB 3.0 (or 3.1/3.2 Gen1, or 5Gbps) mode, but will freeze after seconds in USB 3.1 (or Gen2, or 10Gbps) mode.

Do you have any idea on how to disable USB 3.1 10Gbps handshake in the firmware? I know that may be hard or even impossible, so any thoughts are appreciated.
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Tried the 2.1.4 firmware? That's supposedly the latest for the JMS583

Jmicron JMS-583 NVMe/USB 3.1 Controller firmware Version 0.2.1.4

Windows
www.station-drivers.com
 
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bsly1314

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bsly1314

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Ali_Ben_Bongo said:
Hey @JumpingCat

Any chance you can provide a firmware backup? (You can use the MP Tool v1.19.17.6 that's in the JMS583 168.0.2.0.7 download on Station-Drivers - I used that to back up mine and posted it here: http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=threads/jmicron-jms581d-chipset-firmware.2620551/)

Hoping we might be able to start building a collection as there doesn't seem to be any firmware for this chip yet ...... Would also be interested in seeing what version yours has
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The link seems broken ("The requested thread could not be found"), could you confirm?
 
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Ali_Ben_Bongo

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bsly1314 said:
The link seems broken ("The requested thread could not be found"), could you confirm?
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Yes unfortunately it seems to have vanished and I was not given any reason as to why! 😑

If you can download the MPTool it'll tell you what firmware version you've got currently and give you the option to take a backup.

I'll send you a PM
 
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magnets110

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Has anyone tried the JEYI i9X-Zebra. It has an OLED screen and reads SMART data.

JEYI Visual Smart M.2 NVMe NGFF SSD Enclosure, Supports 5s Write Protection, 3s Re-connect, USB 3.2 Gen2 10Gbps, UASP Trim

i9x-Zebra New Features （i9x not supported） 3 clicks to reconnect the drive (no need to disconnect the cable)5 clicks to turn on write protection (exit requires unplugging the cable again)All-aluminum body with multiple grooves to effectively increase the cooling effectMulti-color LEDs JEYI i9X...
www.jeyi.com

Jeyi visual smart m.2 nvme ngff ssd gehäuse, unterstützt 5s schreib schutz, 3s wieder verbinden, usb 3,2 gen2 10gbps, uasp trim - AliExpress 7

Smarter Shopping, Better Living! Aliexpress.com
www.aliexpress.com

RTL9210b
 
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sourcerer

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Asxetos said:
well, good thing i hate giving up.

I managed to un-brick it.

Flash chip unsoldering - reading - hex editing - reprogramming - resoldering involved (so not for the novice) but its doable.
Happy to share the procedure with anyone.


PS
One more very interesting thing i found.
After all the fuss to unbrick the Orico, i thought i can fool around with a cheapo AM8180 i had bought for $12 off Ebay (problematic, hence the purchase of the Orico).
After viewing the flash contents from the AM8180 i realized that the AM8180 controller is just a rebranded RTL9210 chip.
(just much lower firmware version and different chip revision (IC Ver : 0xa0010002 for the Orico adapter, 0xa0010001 for the AM8180).

It so happens that you can update the firmware on the AM8180 with the Realtek RTL9210 firmware tool (TESTED) and if desired, change the USB ID which causes problems to people.
You just have to rename the "RTL9210_Lite.cfg" to "AM8180_Lite.cfg" for it to work.
You end-up with a perfect RTL9210 clone.

Here is a ready file set (v1.23.15) i made.
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Hello,

great work for figuring out this. can you reupload your file. i have the same clone chipset closure.
 
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Shonky

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fantom3l said:
What did u not get till now? Did u not get that we, the consumers are always the testers and no one invests in such things these days.
@Sermion - could you back up your T7 firmware maybe it is newer then the last one of ASM2362 today 210527_81_00_00 and upload it somewhere.
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ASM2362 and ASM2364 firmware will most prob be cross flashable
the 10gbps lockout is usually done at the factory

I run ASM235CM firmware on ASM225CM just fine (locked at 5gbps though ofc)
as they are the same chip one is just locked at 5gbps one is 10gbps

also usbdev dot ru list

Asmedia ASMT-2360 Firmware (ASM2360, ASM2362, ASM2364)​

i would say there's a 99% chance it will work fine

if your feeling brave you can try flashing it
I posted them here

AS_PCIE_210901_91_00_00.bin
AS_PCIE_230927_91_00_00.bin
 
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eek2121

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Ooh I just now saw this thread! Currently I am using one by SSK. It is stable and claims USB 3.2 gen 2, though I haven’t tested the speeds. My bootloader is on this drive and if I accidentally pull the plug it would freeze my PC. Given that I have multi week uptimes that should give you an idea of the stability: It has NEVER disconnected.

I also have a sabrent one that I haven’t put through the paces.

I would actually love to find a quality enclosure that supports > 4 drives with NVME support. It does not need to be super fast, as long as it can saturate a single Thunderbolt or USB 3.2 gen 2 connection, but it does need to be reliable. SMART and TRIM support are important.
 
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Jimminy

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magnets110 said:
RTL9220 20Gbps

Union ine 20gbps 10gbps m.2 pcie ssd fall dual protokoll m.2 zu usb typ c 3,1 ssd adapter für nvme ngff sata ssd - AliExpress 7

Smarter Shopping, Better Living! Aliexpress.com
www.aliexpress.com
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Heh. I bought one of these from your Ali link for 99 cents. I don't know why; maybe impulse.

I have no idea what I'll do with it because the cheap one is only for sata drives. The more useful versions are about 15-20 dollars.

Maybe I can fill it with lead shot and use it for a spiffy paperweight.
 
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back2future

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Jimminy said:
Heh. I bought one of these from your Ali link for 99 cents. I don't know why; maybe impulse.

I have no idea what I'll do with it because the cheap one is only for sata drives. The more useful versions are about 15-20 dollars.

Maybe I can fill it with lead shot and use it for a spiffy paperweight.
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maybe you can utilize it with a m.2 to sata adapter?
(e.g. key M m.2_to_Sata_riser_card
key A or E key A or E m.2_to_Sata_riser_card)
 
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Jeffrodisiac

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I'd be so thrilled to hear about ANY manufacturer that actively supports firmware upgrades for ANY of these products.

Be it a repackager or chipmaker.

They all have problems problems problems that must be ironed out, generally through firmware upgrades, and sometimes with some tweaks to configuration files.

You can't get even one or the other from the manufacturers, ever.

Instead were left relying on firmware leaks from the chipmakers, dumping the same broken config files and perpetuating the same problems across one manufacturer vs another, and scrambling to reverse engineer the virtually inscrutable based on folklore and haphazard collections of dumps.

As far as I'm concerned the manufacturers of the chips should make it mandatory that those who incorporate them support them through the product life cycle.

With four ingredients: firmware upgrades, recommended config file tweaks, tools to support the upgrade: and would it kill any of them to put a pair of jumper posts across pins 1 and 8 of the whatever it is so if anything goes wrong, we don't need to whip out the soldering iron.

It just makes the chip makers and packagers seem completely out of touch.

And ripe for assassination by an upstart chipmaker, or even a repackager, that builds a reputation one commitment at a time rather than shipping bags of broken glass that get fixed quite some time after they are obsolete if we are very lucky.

We're left pointing the finger at one chipset vs another when, eventually, most work pretty good most of the time, if the firmware is kept up with.

How many times do we have to shrug our shoulders and say, "It was a nice chipset. Some people got it to work, eventually, most of the time, with the right firmware, if you can find it, and a config file that solves more problems than it causes."



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Jimminy

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Jeffrodisiac said:
I'd be so thrilled to hear about ANY manufacturer that actively supports firmware upgrades for ANY of these products.

Be it a repackager or chipmaker.

They all have problems problems problems that must be ironed out, generally through firmware upgrades, and sometimes with some tweaks to configuration files.

You can't get even one or the other from the manufacturers, ever.

Instead were left relying on firmware leaks from the chipmakers, dumping the same broken config files and perpetuating the same problems across one manufacturer vs another, and scrambling to reverse engineer the virtually inscrutable based on folklore and haphazard collections of dumps.

As far as I'm concerned the manufacturers of the chips should make it mandatory that those who incorporate them support them through the product life cycle.

With four ingredients: firmware upgrades, recommended config file tweaks, tools to support the upgrade: and would it kill any of them to put a pair of jumper posts across pins 1 and 8 of the whatever it is so if anything goes wrong, we don't need to whip out the soldering iron.

It just makes the chip makers and packagers seem completely out of touch.

And ripe for assassination by an upstart chipmaker, or even a repackager, that builds a reputation one commitment at a time rather than shipping bags of broken glass that get fixed quite some time after they are obsolete if we are very lucky.

We're left pointing the finger at one chipset vs another when, eventually, most work pretty good most of the time, if the firmware is kept up with.

How many times do we have to shrug our shoulders and say, "It was a nice chipset. Some people got it to work, eventually, most of the time, with the right firmware, if you can find it, and a config file that solves more problems than it causes."



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That's a shame. Could you tell us which devices caused all the problems. ?

You might even get lucky if someone has had similar problems and found solutions.
 
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yasinvs

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Good day, Is it possible to change the IC Pkg Type section of the box and get SATA feature in the box? Is such a thing possible? There is also Realtek rtl9210b-CG SATA support, which is normally found on the box., so I set the firmware to 1.33.44. Model : M2PV-C3
Code: 
**************************************************************
Device : [Port4] : Realtek RTL9210B-CG #0
**************************************************************
U2PHY : n/a
U3PHY : n/a
VID : 0x0bda
PID : 0x9210
MANUFACTURE : "Realtek"
PRODUCT : "Realtek"
SERIAL : "012345678909"
SCSI_PRODUCT : "RTL9210B-CG     "
SCSI_VENDOR : "Realtek "
USB_SELF_PWR : n/a
DISK_HOTPLUG : 0x00
LED : n/a
PINMUX1 : 0x00000000
PINMUX2 : 0x00000000
U2_MAXPWR : 0xfa
U3_MAXPWR : 0x70
ASPMDIS : 0x00
PCIE_REFCLK : n/a
DISK_IPS_THRES : 0x00
SWR_1_2V : n/a
EN_UPS : n/a
PD : n/a
CUSTOMIZED_LED : 01 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
SUSPEND_LED_OFF : 0x01
FORCE_USB_SPEED : n/a
FORCE_PCIE_SPEED : n/a
EN_U1U2 : n/a
FORCE_USB_QUIRK : n/a
FORCE_PCIE_QUIRK : n/a
FAN : 0x00000000
DIS_SHOW_EMPTY_DISK : n/a
FORCE_SATA_NORMAL_DMA : n/a
UART_DBG_PIN : 0x05
FINGER_PRINT_EN : n/a
RM_INTERNAL_RD : n/a
HS_AUTO_SWITCH : 0x05
UART_BAUD_RATE : n/a
CUSTOMIZED_DISK_IDENTIFY : n/a
HW_LED_CFG : n/a
CDROM_CFG : n/a
SUPPORT_HID : n/a
LATE_INIT_DISK : n/a
SCSI_WP_PIN : n/a
SD_MMC_TYPE : n/a
FORCE_PORT_TYPE : n/a
BCDDEVICE : n/a
SUSPEND_DISK_OFF : 0x01
SCSI_WB_PIN : n/a
CUSTOMIZED_FEATURE : n/a
PERIPH_API : n/a
RAID_CFG : n/a

Boot Mode : Flash
FW Ver : 1.33.44
FW Build Date : 2024.01.18
IC Pkg Type : PCIE
UUID : n/a

Disconn_ForceUSB2 : false



 
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