article said:Unfortunately for PC graphics enthusiasts, it seems like Intel’s discrete GPU efforts are similarly seen as a failed experiment now. Gelsinger says he’s focused on simplifying the company’s consumer products now, and dedicated graphics cards / chips are apparently on the chopping block. He said:
If Intel axes them, it won’t come as a huge surprise — its gaming graphics initiative only had very limited success with standalone cards, and only ever managed to play at the ultra-budget end of the field, which AMD is now threatening even more.How are we handling graphics? That is increasingly becoming large, integrated graphics capabilities, so less need for discrete graphics in the market going forward.
ARCs are always out of stock or never last too long when attractively/competitively priced. Do they not notice this? MAKE MOAR.
I don't get it. The bread and butter of gpu's is the low to mid grade gpu. That would be the 4060 and 4070. Intel has their own fab and can create GPU's for cheap.
How are we handling graphics? That is increasingly becoming large, integrated graphics capabilities, so less need for discrete graphics in the market going forward.
Then imagine a iGPU with 4070 performance. How big of a marketshare it will have when it will be everywhere, because you will buy a whole computer with it?The Steam survey definitely concurs; the 3060 has the greatest market share.
Then imagine a iGPU with 4070 performance.
I thought that Strix Halo is supposed to be roughly this performance?Maybe in ten years' time one will exist (I doubt it, consider how much shrinkage would be necessary in all respects such as power usage, the 4070 needs 200W, let alone the trade-offs in having to wait for shared memory access), at which point just like with current leading iGPUs it will be doing low graphics settings at best.
And this is about Intel who can't even put out a credible discrete GPU option yet let alone their fantastical notion that they're going to skip mastering the discrete GPU business and go straight for a credible iGPU alternative to mid-range discrete GPUs. I remember trying out KOTOR1 on a Coffee Lake gen iGPU laptop, it didn't do well. My RX 6700XT can play the same game flawlessly with virtually zero GPU usage. That's the kind of leap needed for iGPUs to become contenders for the low/mid-end GPU range. I doubt Intel iGPUs have improved greatly since then.
We still have the belief that Integrated GPU is weak, and slow, because it is small.I thought that Strix Halo is supposed to be roughly this performance?
We still have the belief that Integrated GPU is weak, and slow, because it is small.
Yes, Strix Halo should have roughly the 4070 performance.
As much as I would *love* the idea that AMD is going to go from trailing NVIDIA's discrete GPUs for years to essentially spanking half of NVIDIA's current line-up of dGPUs with a mainstream-oriented iGPU as a prelude to the utter humiliation that AMD's next gen dGPUs would therefore bring upon NVIDIA, don't you think you're being a bit optimistic?I thought that Strix Halo is supposed to be roughly this performance?
WHERE is going Nvidia to put their GPUs if SOCs will phase out dGPUs completely from laptops?As much as I would *love* the idea that AMD is going to go from trailing NVIDIA's discrete GPUs for years to essentially spanking half of NVIDIA's current line-up of dGPUs with a mainstream-oriented iGPU as a prelude to the utter humiliation that AMD's next gen dGPUs would therefore bring upon NVIDIA, don't you think you're being a bit optimistic?
They need to enter the consumer PC SoC market because soon discrete laptops GPUs barely make sense (and same is probably true for mini-PCs too).WHERE is going Nvidia to put their GPUs if SOCs will phase out dGPUs completely from laptops?
WHERE is going Nvidia to put their GPUs if SOCs will phase out dGPUs completely from laptops?
WHERE is going Nvidia to put their GPUs if SOCs will phase out dGPUs completely from laptops?
When is this going to happen? People want Nvidia in their laptops, and I don't see this changing any time soon. Same with desktops.WHERE is going Nvidia to put their GPUs if SOCs will phase out dGPUs completely from laptops?
Ask Apple.but it's not entirely clear how big of a market there is for AI workstations.
1) The whole point of powerful SOC is that you have ONE chip that can target both: high-end mobile workstations, and high end gaming on the go.We should avoid conflating laptop graphics with desktop graphics. E.G. the RTX 4070 mobile only has 8GB of ram and performs about like a discrete 3060 when not vram limited. I can see Strix Halo matching up well against it.
While mobile is 80% of the PC market, the gaming laptop market is a much smaller segment. And most of those models are the entry to mid level. Nvidia would still own the high end to DTR even if Intel and AMD eat their lunch in the lower tiers.
The real fly in the ointment, is Nvidia will have their own ARM based SOCs coming soon. The stuff they are teaming up on with MediaTek includes AI PC and comes out next year? An important first step. I expect in a few years there will be an all green gaming machine, perhaps with it's own custom OS like Steam.
Armcharing it; I think Intel has to focus on powerful iGPUs or it is going to be yet another market where they miss the boat and get left behind. Better odds than trying to muscle in on the long established discrete market where Intel is Pee Wee and Nvidia is the Incredible Hulk.
It's do or die for Battle Mage. ARC despite its failings, was given a warm, welcome player 3 reception. I don't think that sentiment will be as prevalent this go around. DIYers concerned with long term support, bang for buck uncertainty, potential launch issues. ARC, Raptor, and Arrow have ranged from messy to disaster. They have to execute almost flawlessly, and somehow have attractive pricing or it's going to be tough sledding.