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biostud

Lifer
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Name one successful socialist nation that didn't end in death, poverty, genocide and war?
Who is to say that US won't go that way if it turns into a fascist anarchy?

But since you ask probably all EU members, Norway and Switzerland as they are probably what you would call "socialist" as have different versions of a welfare state.

The point being, that you apparently do not understand the difference between the non democratic communist dictatorship and a modern democratic welfare state speaks levels.
 

jdubs03

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Who is to say that US won't go that way if it turns into a fascist anarchy?

But since you ask probably all EU members, Norway and Switzerland as they are probably what you would call "socialist" as have different versions of a welfare state.

The point being, that you apparently do not understand the difference between the non democratic communist dictatorship and a modern democratic welfare state speaks levels.
I’ll help him out.
 

QueBert

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Trump donating his salary is about as likely as me getting some action tonight. Grifters don't donate and look at all the cities where he threw a rally and stiffed them for what he agreed to pay. Leaving them to foot the bill, there are like 6 or 7 cities he still owes large chunks of money to. And those cities will NEVER get paid. There's also the heart warming story of a rally he had in Florida outside of a diner, where he'd promised all the MAGA cult members who came free breakfast. And guess what he did? He bailed without paying for shit, so nobody got their free meal. And all those people were super loyal cult followers who probably had sent him donations, maybe multiple times. And I'm sure a lot didn't have much $$$ to just be giving away. That really showed how much he truly cares about people who worship the ground he walks on lol. And you want me to believe THAT GUY donated all his salary? L O FUCKING L.

And as already mentioned, even if he did donate the 1.6 million he made (which he didn't...) he fucked us over with a hundred trips to Mar-A-Lago where HE charged HIS OWN secret service to stay at HIS RESORT while HE GOLFED. I'm confused why he charged us for people to stay at his resort which it didn't cost him shit. HE'S A FUCKING CROOK. And the total racked up was in the many hundreds of millions. It's laughable MAGAs swear "he's a great guy he only worked for $1 a year because he cares about the economy!" Bullshit, I have no doubt if offered enough $$$$ Trump would probably kill one of his own children.

There's no fucking way he "donated" his salary, and he sure as fuck didn't work for free, or a buck a year lol. And the amount he stole from tax payers for all his Mar-A-Lago trips is over 100x what every president ever had made combined. He's a greedy shitbag lying thief grifter with no conscious. Oh and he's a rapist too.

And to whoever this guy is posting saying we only hate Trump because of the lies the media spread about him. I don't follow the media, I hate him for his actions and the words that come out of his own mouth on his Twitter and Truth Social posts. You can't blame the MSM for that. There's nothing CNN, MSNBC or any other news org could say about him that would make me hate him anymore than I already do.
 

Muse

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Why y'all playin' wit' the stormfronter? They ain't got no brainz.
Well, it did get me to hunt down that great YT video detailing the Donald grifting of the American public since 2015 to the tune of over 600 million. The devil is in the details. I just rewatched it. It's better the 2nd time, 1st time it was great but I was kinda in shock and it didn't sink in as much.
 
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Muse

Lifer
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Trump donating his salary is about as likely as me getting some action tonight. Grifters don't donate and look at all the cities where he threw a rally and stiffed them for what he agreed to pay. Leaving them to foot the bill, there are like 6 or 7 cities he still owes large chunks of money to. And those cities will NEVER get paid. There's also the heart warming story of a rally he had in Florida outside of a diner, where he'd promised all the MAGA cult members who came free breakfast. And guess what he did? He bailed without paying for shit, so nobody got their free meal. And all those people were super loyal cult followers who probably had sent him donations, maybe multiple times. And I'm sure a lot didn't have much $$$ to just be giving away. That really showed how much he truly cares about people who worship the ground he walks on lol. And you want me to believe THAT GUY donated all his salary? L O FUCKING L.

And as already mentioned, even if he did donate the 1.6 million he made (which he didn't...) he fucked us over with a hundred trips to Mar-A-Lago where HE charged HIS OWN secret service to stay at HIS RESORT while HE GOLFED. I'm confused why he charged us for people to stay at his resort which it didn't cost him shit. HE'S A FUCKING CROOK. And the total racked up was in the many hundreds of millions. It's laughable MAGAs swear "he's a great guy he only worked for $1 a year because he cares about the economy!" Bullshit, I have no doubt if offered enough $$$$ Trump would probably kill one of his own children.

There's no fucking way he "donated" his salary, and he sure as fuck didn't work for free, or a buck a year lol. And the amount he stole from tax payers for all his Mar-A-Lago trips is over 100x what every president ever had made combined. He's a greedy shitbag lying thief grifter with no conscious. Oh and he's a rapist too.

And to whoever this guy is posting saying we only hate Trump because of the lies the media spread about him. I don't follow the media, I hate him for his actions and the words that come out of his own mouth on his Twitter and Truth Social posts. You can't blame the MSM for that. There's nothing CNN, MSNBC or any other news org could say about him that would make me hate him anymore than I already do.
That video I posted in this thread tonight about him grifting over 600 million dollars from American taxpayers details those things you mention. He didn't bill for just 100 trips to Maralago, it was over 500 trips. The video has details, charts, etc. Also talks about the foreign dignitaries who stayed at his hotels.
 
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Storm-Chaser

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WHERE IS IT CONFIRMED? Is it that hard?

Multiple federal agencies told USA TODAY they received donations from part of Trump's salary.

That wasn't so hard was it?
So, he may have declined $1,600,000 salary (and written off the donation as a tax deduction, but being the only president in memory who didn't reveal his tax returns, we don't know) while in office but he stole $636,700,000. That doesn't just make him a crook, it makes him a phony and a crook.

Your team was only wanting to "exploit" trump for his tax returns when everyone else in the Democratic party does the same thing.

Total bs fabrication of the liberal media. He didnt steal a dime.

1.6 million is no small amount. Apparently Trump can be bashed for saving us money as well?
 

Storm-Chaser

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Storm-chaser won't even admit it was donated, he claims he was paid $1 a year. But he can't seem to find any evidence of that.
All the money was donated and accounted for.


It's fun to watch you lose your mind because Trump actually did something good for the people. And you guys are so arrogant you can't even fathom that Trump did it from his heart.
 

Storm-Chaser

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From one that lives in a socialist hell hole:
Yeah 6 weeks of paid vacation, up to 120 sick days, 100% health coverage through taxes no matter your income, free education up to PhD levels paid by taxes, up to two years of unemployment benefits, one year shared parental leave.

And 80%+ participationrate in national elections.

You don't want any of this horrid things...
Of course you paint a rosy picture of socialism. And you too easily forget Hilter killed 8 million Jews and tried to take over the world to make his socialist dreams a global reality.
 

Storm-Chaser

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Wait, I thought you said he was paid $1.
Finally figured out how to use google eh? Good for you.
He kept only one dollar. This stuff is really basic guys. It was an act done out of love for his people.

Declining the salary shows his true colors, no matter how much you guys try to flip the script!
 

Storm-Chaser

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Gotta push back and set the record straight. They thrive in vacuums.
Apparently this guy has been asleep for the past 3.5 years. Or he just has his head in the sand and is trusting the mainstream media to have his best interests at heart
 

Storm-Chaser

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Gotta push back and set the record straight. They thrive in vacuums.
Apparently this guy has been asleep for the past 3.5 years. Or he just has his head in the sand and is trusting the mainstream media to have his best interests
Feeding a troll is not push back, it is EXACTLY what they want. Please (all of you) stop.
Not kidding around. Not trolling.

Credible links are a requirement here. You are a repeat offender. You are in time out and have a pm.
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jdubs03

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Way to repeat yourself. Like I said earlier, you should stay in your lane. But I’m done with this bs. You keep spouting nonsense.
 
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biostud

Lifer
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Of course you paint a rosy picture of socialism. And you too easily forget Hilter killed 8 million Jews and tried to take over the world to make his socialist dreams a global reality.
As I point out you completely ignore the difference between a modern democratic welfare state and a fascist dictatorship.

You do realize that besides Germany and Italy , the rest of the "free" world has never changed from democracies to totalitarian regimes? And if everything turns out well on Tuesday neither will you experience it.

So my take is that all democracies can turn authoritarian if you let the wrong persons lead the country.

And which candidate on Tuesday has friends from Russia and North Korea as their best buddies?
 

pmv

Lifer
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As I point out you completely ignore the difference between a modern democratic welfare state and a fascist dictatorship.

You do realize that besides Germany and Italy , the rest of the "free" world has never changed from democracies to totalitarian regimes? And if everything turns out well on Tuesday neither will you experience it.

So my take is that all democracies can turn authoritarian if you let the wrong persons lead the country.

And which candidate on Tuesday has friends from Russia and North Korea as their best buddies?

I don't really care if people want to engage with politically-crazy posters or not - I think it's up to individuals who they think is worth arguing with. But anyone who pushes the "up-is-down, black-is-white" claim about "the Nazis were socialists" is, as far as I'm concerned, just a troll and not worth engaging with.

Also, countries have transitioned from democracies to _right wing_ totalitarianism, Germany being an obvious example, Chile being another. That's a historical difference between left and right-wing totalitarianism - most leftist totalitarian states came about after the overthrow of a previous undemocratic regime, e.g. Czarist Russia, or pre-revolutionary China, or Batista's Cuba, or all the ex-colonial countries that went that way - whereas right-wing totalitarians are different in that they overthrow actual democracies. Functioning democracies need to beware the right, i.e. people like Trump and his supporters.

I can think of no cases of the left overthrowing democracy in favour of a dictatorship, generally left dictatorships only come after a previous right-wing (or colonial) regime collapses or is overthrown.
 
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