First Gracemont laptop available for sale.
Anybody got disposable $500 to buy and test this laptop?
Exactly after Panther Cove it is just one more and than it is axed by NVL P = EI'm fine with 25% over Skymont if true, that's another big jump. Cove never could do big improvements like this.
Well.... on phones they had Moorefield, but they left it behind...Intel calling the core "Arctic" Wolf means they are confident that it will run so cool that it may even deliver most of its performance in a fanless device, like the Apple M series. If that happens, it would be encroaching on ARM territory. Wonder what AMD, ARM and Apple have planned to counter that possibility because once x86 designs are able to do that, it opens a whole world of x86 passively cooled devices including handheld consoles, phones, tablets, TVs, VR headsets and who knows what else. How would AMD's fanless x86 CPU be like and how it could be better than Intel's?
I think they are very sensitive to public perception. If they fail to make an impression, they ditch the product. It's a miracle they let the Atom team keep iterating.Well.... on phones they had Moorefield, but they left it behind...
In most these ecosystems ARM has the software advantage. It's a non-starter.Intel calling the core "Arctic" Wolf means they are confident that it will run so cool that it may even deliver most of its performance in a fanless device, like the Apple M series. If that happens, it would be encroaching on ARM territory. Wonder what AMD, ARM and Apple have planned to counter that possibility because once x86 designs are able to do that, it opens a whole world of x86 passively cooled devices including handheld consoles, phones, tablets, TVs, VR headsets and who knows what else. How would AMD's fanless x86 CPU be like and how it could be better than Intel's?
Funny story Moorefield had decent acceptance... the issue came with SoFIA... that was the one who doomed Intel.I think they are very sensitive to public perception. If they fail to make an impression, they ditch the product. It's a miracle they let the Atom team keep iterating.
Just for reference
Same 32C/T will absolutely slap everything in MT511 in Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes Discussion Threads
Verry strong performance Skymont E-cores. It's a shame that Intel didn't release a version with 32c Skymont instead of 8C Lion Cove + 16c Skymont.
What was the issue exactly?the issue came with SoFIA... that was the one who doomed Intel.
Performance wise was on par with A7, while Moorefield was more on the QC Krait tier....What was the issue exactly?
Raichu is just guessing. I think he also said Skymont won't be high as 30% either.I'm fine with 25% over Skymont if true, that's another big jump. Cove never could do big improvements like this.
That is why I want to see how Skymont alone would fareRaichu is just guessing. I think he also said Skymont won't be high as 30% either.
I'm confident enough that they'll get another 30% gain over Skymont. Even with this, they'll still be significantly behind ARM competition. Assuming 60% per clock gap is entirely due to ISA is a complete fallacy. I'm pretty sure they can get within 5-10% with equal teams which never happens in real life.
It seems Skymont is hobbled in both Lunarlake and Arrowlake. Lunarlake because of the slow MLC, and Arrowlake because of the slow memory controller. 194ns for E core memory latency shows how bad the execution was for Arrowlake.
Yea but we'll never see this. Well, actually maybe we will if they get N series next year. But that also depends if they do not use Arrowlake's fabric.That is why I want to see how Skymont alone would fare
And it still shines in some workloads. What kind of a monster core did they create?! I wonder what happens if they release it in Core i3-N4xx form with 8 or even 16 cores and the latency is 70 nanoseconds or less. It could beat Raptor Lake P cores in MT since their scaling is so good! Of course, that assumes that the MT workloads are not too bandwidth intensive since Intel will "lovingly" hobble their beautiful i3-N illegitimate SKU with single channel RAM. I personally hope that by that time, single channel DDR5-6400 is cheap enough to be used. It would be a lot better than DDR5-4800 in single channel.194ns for E core memory latency shows how bad the execution was for Arrowlake.
Bingo. Griffin a mythical creature with the head and wings of an eagle and the body of a lion, typically depicted with pointed ears and with the eagle's legs taking the place of the forelegs.Naming of the successor to Arctic Wolf is Golden Eagle. It'll likely be a "Tick" with 3-5% improvements.
Plot twist:And it still shines in some workloads. What kind of a monster core did they create?! I wonder what happens if they release it in Core i3-N4xx form with 8 or even 16 cores and the latency is 70 seconds or less. It could beat Raptor Lake P cores in MT since their scaling is so good! Of course, that assumes that the MT workloads are not too bandwidth intensive since Intel will "lovingly" hobble their beautiful i3-N illegitimate SKU with single channel RAM. I personally hope that by that time, single channel DDR5-6400 is cheap enough to be used. It would be a lot better than DDR5-4800 in single channel.
That's your fantasy, right? If not, what's the source for that?Plot twist:
Arrowlake -N now is Dual Channel and goes to 12 and 16 core with Core i5 and i7 lines since it is good enough.
Also the i7 line gets nVIDIA or AMD dedicated GPU while the i5 goes with Intel GPU.
An idea, remember that before Alder Lake-N , Jasper Lake was Dual Channel, so is time to recover that I guess.That's your fantasy, right? If not, what's the source for that?
P: Lion > Cougar > Panther > Griffin > deadBingo. Griffin a mythical creature with the head and wings of an eagle and the body of a lion, typically depicted with pointed ears and with the eagle's legs taking the place of the forelegs.
Intel's current internal roadmap (plan):
• 2024: Lion Cove: Arrow Lake / Lunar Lake
• 2025: Cougar Cove: Panther Lake
• 2026: Coyote Cove: Nova Lake
• 2027: Griffin Cove
• 2028: "Griffin Cove-next"
The king is dead, long live the king! => Griffin Cove is a "corefusion" E-core and P-core because is a mythical creature known as a half-eagle, half-lion.
Leaving fantasy land, we do know that a few things are in play:Plot twist:
Arrowlake -N now is Dual Channel and goes to 12 and 16 core with Core i5 and i7 lines since it is good enough.
Also the i7 line gets nVIDIA or AMD dedicated GPU while the i5 goes with Intel GPU.
Dang it, you talk sense!Skymont, as implemented, only exists on expensive TSMC logic. They won't pay for an N series chip on a leading TSMC node. We won't see a Skymont N series product any time soon, or possibly ever.