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[DHT]Osiris

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I think it would require a constitutional amendment and the trifecta can't do that, AFAIK
The Constitution is just paper if it's not enforced, just like every other law. Trump can literally say 'I'm suspending the Constitution, either I or Vance will be king of America from now on' and if nothing happens the next day, it's as concrete as the foundations of the Earth.
 

Muse

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We must resist recriminating certain demographics because we're getting spanked all over the place, up and down ballot. In short, a relatively broad coalition fucked us.
Having said that, the numbers for Latino voters in PA and MI is very disturbing. A gargantuan shift from 2020.
How do we know there weren't election shenanigans manipulating the outcome? Trump and the GOP have been saying that about the 2020. So how do we know they haven't engineered their revenge by fucking with the system so they come out on top?
 
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brycejones

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How do we know there weren't election shenanigans manipulating the outcome? Trump and the GOP have been saying that about the 2020. So how do we know they haven't engineered their revenge by fucking with the system so they come out on top?
The fucking with the system was the 4 years of Russian agit prop.

The people who claim to want to MAGA have been captured by foreign interests opposed to America's interests and ideals.
 

mikeymikec

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Seriously, I see this stuff all the time here. Do you people really believe there won't be a presidential election in 2028? Do you believe that the 2 term limit won't be in effect? Evidently so. How the fuck could that happen? I don't believe it. Besides the political difficulties in that happening, Trump will be 4 years older and he's already a half sentient geezer. Who's going to figure that he should be chief executive until 2032?
I think if your sole argument is "I don't believe it", then you had better start thinking why you think that way. The Jews in Europe thought that way before they got toasted.

SCOTUS has already declared him immune to prosecution. SCOTUS has demonstrated that it is acting in an entirely partisan and pro-Trump manner. Trump campaigned on suspending the Constitution and democracy, and an apparent majority voted for him because or despite him saying that. The GQP's position is "what he said".

Trump's motivations are more $$$, his ego being stroked and for any measures to be taken to ensure that he won't ever be held accountable for his crimes.

What do you perceive the checks and balances to be in this scenario?
 
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Brovane

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He's to be sentenced Nov. 26 for his crimes in New York. I suppose that judge has a lot of power. I wonder what could and will happen.

That judge isn't going to do anything. Trump is going to show-up with a bunch of Secret Service and the sentence will be nothing or the judge just decides to throw the entire thing out. I wouldn't put it past Trump to say he is busy that day and not show-up and challenge the judge to put out a bench warrant.

 
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[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
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How do we know there weren't election shenanigans manipulating the outcome? Trump and the GOP have been saying that about the 2020. So how do we know they haven't engineered their revenge by fucking with the system so they come out on top?
If there's evidence, I'll consider it, not until then.
 

biostud

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So what kind of democracy should we have? What part of the population should be chosen to elect the president? The majority of the people voted for Trump, more importantly, the majority of the states voted for Trump.
Democracy is a good thing or a bad thing, you can't have it both way's.
My point being, that even if the majority chose to elect Trump, which I respect and is the name of the game, it doesn't stop the opposition from doing what they can to get their policies through.

If you want to keep a democracy you do need to have somewhat well-defined seperation of powers between the law-making, adjudication, executive and media. And while it definitely has been going the wrong way for a long time, I fear that it will accelerate into something you can't get back from.

But lets buckle up and see what will happen...
 
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[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
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That judge isn't going to do anything. Trump is going to show-up with a bunch of Secret Service and the sentence will be nothing or the judge just decides to throw the entire thing out. I wouldn't put it past Trump to say he is busy that day and not show-up and challenge the judge to put out a bench warrant.

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Yup, and I dare more people to say 'he can't do X, it's not allowed' some more after he does.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
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But it's democracy. The majority have spoken and they wanted Trump. Now it seems like you aren't happy with democracy.
Since you are a sudden believer in democracy NY is now free to sentence Trump since he was convicted in a Democratic court of law

Point being we have a Democracy that elected

Racism
Corruption
Misogyny
Incompetence
Criminality
Fascism

Also that Democracy we know now will end Jan 20 2025
 
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[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
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Yeah I think having some uncertainty around this is a healthy way to set expectations. Unless Congress or the courts are willing to step in at any point he has way more latitude to do stuff than most people think.
Without a doubt. He was handed the entirety of Congress, he has the courts, both local and supreme, and the will of the people. You couldn't define a better prelude to a governmental shift into an autocracy with a history book and a fucking protractor.
 

Fenixgoon

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That judge isn't going to do anything. Trump is going to show-up with a bunch of Secret Service and the sentence will be nothing or the judge just decides to throw the entire thing out. I wouldn't put it past Trump to say he is busy that day and not show-up and challenge the judge to put out a bench warrant.

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This is not the flex you think it is
 

fskimospy

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It can help with manufacturing but you have to be really careful. For instance in my example earlier you might have helped the US widget company initially but it makes anything made with that widget more expensive so you might well drive that whole chain of industry out of business, and with it the US widget company you were trying to save.
Tariffs are best when you are trying to save an industry that's important to a countries security rather than trying to prop up a noncompetitive commercial enterprise.
Yes it’s possible that they help with manufacturing but the only way they do that is by making products more expensive for consumers. That’s the only way it works.
 

K1052

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Yes it’s possible that they help with manufacturing but the only way they do that is by making products more expensive for consumers. That’s the only way it works.

High on the list of things that sound great but come with enormous tradeoffs that people are simply going to hate lol.
 

Brovane

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Without a doubt. He was handed the entirety of Congress, he has the courts, both local and supreme, and the will of the people. You couldn't define a better prelude to a governmental shift into an autocracy with a history book and a fucking protractor.

I am fairly certain one of the keys of handing him power was black men and latino voters. It is really sad.

 

HomerJS

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That judge isn't going to do anything. Trump is going to show-up with a bunch of Secret Service and the sentence will be nothing or the judge just decides to throw the entire thing out. I wouldn't put it past Trump to say he is busy that day and not show-up and challenge the judge to put out a bench warrant.
Make up your mind are you for the rule of law or do white men get the special exemption?
 
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