Demographic destiny is a lie. New old people are made every day.Why would Trump pick up more voters and why would Harris lose more votes?
My prediction is that Harris picks up a higher percentage of the female vote as well as “former” republicans. I don’t see where Trump picks up any meaningful demographics.
Here's the thing I struggle with: I think it is a given that Trump's base has shrunk, not grown.
There have been many "last straw" moments over the last 8 years, several of which were massive. His handling of covid turned off a lot of people. January 6th turned off a lot of people. The classified documents turned off a lot of people. His statements about the military turned off a lot of people. Losing Roe turned off a LOT of people.
On top of that, his denial of covid killed off a shitload of his most die hard shit eaters. And yet, from 2016 to 2020 he gained 9 million votes. Where the fuck did 9 million new voters come from?
16 million more people voted for Biden than Hillary. Presumably these people either liked Biden more than Hillary or despised Trump enough to vote against him instead of for him, 3rd party, or sitting out like they did in 2016. Presumably Trump's 9 million had to be made up of people who either hated Biden more than they hated Hillary, or gained a newfound love of Trump that they didn't already have in 2016.
So, in the 4 years between 2016 and 2020 elections we have 25 million extra voters. We can chalk roughly 12 million of those to population growth. If we generously give Trump half of those new voters, and generously pretend that a roughly equal number of people crossed the aisle (Hillary->Trump vs. Trump->Biden), that means at least 3 million people developed a new found love for Trump.
That's after hundreds of thousands of his most loyal supporters died from covid. I just don't understand how he gained voters after all that. It's not like he had the benefit of being able to blame everything going wrong in the world on a Democrat in the White House, he was in the White House...
Well fuck, guess I was too bullish on Harris in NV.We're probably fucked
True, this forum is biased to the left (middlin' liberal to mild conservative, really). It is that way because the fascists keep running away to their safe spots.lol this whole thread did not age well. shows how biased this forum is
True, this forum is biased to the left (middlin' liberal to mild conservative, really). It is that way because the fascists keep running away to their safe spots
If you're a fascist, just own it. Fascism won yesterday; you have a lot to celebrate. If you don't like to see yourself as a fascist, then stop voting like one. You have agency and personal responsibly for your reprehensible conduct.you dems just can not stop with that name calling hate bullshit can you. maybe that is why you got your asses handed to you last night. the country is sick of it.
But it's ok to call the other half evil, vermin, enemy from within, commies, etc?you dems just can not stop with that name calling hate bullshit can you. maybe that is why you got your asses handed to you last night. the country is sick of it.
Lol. Like another Trump term is going to do anything positive for you! You aren't some special snowflake that Trumps going to look out for, you'll be as fucked as the rest of the country!you dems just can not stop with that name calling hate bullshit can you. maybe that is why you got your asses handed to you last night. the country is sick of it.
I was close in the most disappointing way. I was off by a longshot on the total vote count. The only way it makes sense for both candidates to have less votes than the last election is to suppose that there are tens of millions of blue voters who would vote for an old white man in 2020 but decided to binge watch storage wars when a mixed race woman ran against a criminal and self-avowed fascist 4 years later.And perhaps MI too. I think @nickqt is going to be the closest, only missing WI.
I am pretty sure (as I mentioned in another thread) that it wasn't Democrats that let us down, it was swing voters. Swing voters that swung hard for Biden because the incumbent was fumbling the economy and the pandemic response and now swung hard for Trump because the "incumbent" was "fumbling the economy."I was close in the most disappointing way. I was off by a longshot on the total vote count. The only way it makes sense for both candidates to have less votes than the last election is to suppose that there are tens of millions of blue voters who would vote for an old white man in 2020 but decided to binge watch storage wars when a mixed race woman ran against a criminal and self-avowed fascist 4 years later.
Obviously, if the Democrats have any chance in 2028, it has to be a straight white man who is absolutely Christian, 'cause I don't see any other analysis that makes sense...unless I'm missing something here.
Here's hoping Trump and Friends aren't really fascists and just want to steal as much money as possible. Gotta take the glass half full view on it.
This is probably right.I am pretty sure (as I mentioned in another thread) that it wasn't Democrats that let us down, it was swing voters. Swing voters that swung hard for Biden because the incumbent was fumbling the economy and the pandemic response and now swung hard for Trump because the "incumbent" was "fumbling the economy."
We're probably fucked
This forum is filled with liberals who keep insisting Harris was the right candidate and no one else could have done any better. I am in utter shock anyone can defend the DNC after this most epic of failures when the DNC would much rather keep losing elections than have genuinely left of center candidates that might actually appeal to American voters.lol this whole thread did not age well. shows how biased this forum is
Wow, so close to the real result. Impressive. Other post were so wrong.We're probably fucked
Wow, so close to the real result. Impressive. Other post were so wrong.
It got laughed off because of the person who posted it. I can't tell whether or not gothuevos is less tiring to read now that Trump did actually win, or if the despair gothuevos had before the election is now shared and I no longer find their posts tiring in the same vein.So why was this post laughed off?