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fskimospy

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I haven't kept up with the dozens of pages of posts.

What's the current line on the number of hours/days it takes after the new Congress is sworn in for the Senate to abolish the filibuster?
I doubt they abolish it. After all, Republicans have already abolished it for the things they care about. Republicans love the filibuster as it currently exists because their opponents need 60 votes to enact their polices while they only need 50.

For example you might need 60 votes to repeal the ACA but you only need 51 to remove all funding for it.
 
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nOOky

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I hate to break it to you but we are likely on the way to what amounts to a near nationwide abortion ban. They will likely try to use the Comstock Act to make it illegal to transport abortion drugs across state lines.

I guess states could of course set up their own manufacturing capabilities but that will take a while.

Well DJT said he wouldn't sign that, and he is very trustworthy. Maybe they will focus their efforts on the horrible fentanyl crisis them keep whining about, rather than worrying about enforcing abortion for white women. You know they don't really want brown babies being born unrestricted especially if those brown babies are then citizens.
 

gothuevos

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Well DJT said he wouldn't sign that, and he is very trustworthy. Maybe they will focus their efforts on the horrible fentanyl crisis them keep whining about, rather than worrying about enforcing abortion for white women. You know they don't really want brown babies being born unrestricted especially if those brown babies are then citizens.

 

WelshBloke

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There's going to be so many people with faces missing after thinking that they could pet a leopard!
 

fskimospy

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Well DJT said he wouldn't sign that, and he is very trustworthy. Maybe they will focus their efforts on the horrible fentanyl crisis them keep whining about, rather than worrying about enforcing abortion for white women. You know they don't really want brown babies being born unrestricted especially if those brown babies are then citizens.
He's not going to sign anything. What they are going to do is judge shop to the northern district of Texas and pull a friendly judge who will say the Comstock Act prohibits this. Then the Trump administration will say 'well shucks, our hands are tied!'
 

Jaskalas

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It is pretty incredible how in the last 10 years the US went from a normal, functioning democracy to what amounts to an authoritarian state where the president can kill at will and no laws apply to him, run by a convicted felon.
After 40+ years of Reaganomics, Americans are too poor to have faith in America. They placed their faith in Cheeto Jesus instead.
 

fskimospy

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After 40+ years of Reaganomics, Americans are too poor to have faith in America. They placed their faith in Cheeto Jesus instead.
The median American is vastly better off today than they were in 1980.

FRED data on real median household income only goes back to 1984 but in constant 2023 dollars median household income in 1984 was ~$58k while it is ~$80k today.
 
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gothuevos

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Sobering, but accurate read.

"There just aren’t enough Americans who are interested, or care.

I do not regret believing in the America of “a shining city on a hill” and “the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice” when it still had a chance, even though it turned out to not exist in 2024, and maybe never did."

 
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ch33zw1z

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I know I am awaiting the deportation of millions of brown people back to their countries which will cost hundreds of billions of US dollars and cost us trillions of dollars in lost growth. Maybe they will deport the millions of Irish people because we aren't white people.

Americans better be ready to step up and work the fields, work the service jobs they like to look down on, and do it for shit pay like the immigrants.
 

ch33zw1z

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compcons

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This is all more palatable if your take the approach that the Garbage Republicans take: Ignore anything that doesn't directly affect you and if it does affect you, blame someone else. I mean if you are white, financially comfortable, and old enough to not worry about pregnancy, life will be okay. If you can ignore the Treasonous Orange Shit Stain's many corrupt acts that don't break the country, life will be okay. If you can get past the fact that any significant decisions that come out of the Corrupt Supreme Court will protect bad policies and actions, life will be okay.

Just worry about yourself like Republican shitbags and life will go on. You can just hope that democracy will survive - which is questionable- and that some other part (maybe even the Dems) will learn from their poor decisions and figure out how to actually do the things that most Americans, not just voters, want from their government. This too is questionable.

Let's hope their general incompetency keeps the country and world afloat. Best of Luck.
 

WelshBloke

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The median American is vastly better off today than they were in 1980.

FRED data on real median household income only goes back to 1984 but in constant 2023 dollars median household income in 1984 was ~$58k while it is ~$80k today.
Weirdly I remember reading that wealth inequality is a bigger driver of social unrest than absolute spending power.
Like you might be a bit better off than people from 1980 and be able to have a better quality of life but if you are still living below your peers that won't matter.
 
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DarthKyrie

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Americans better be ready to step up and work the fields, work the service jobs they like to look down on, and do it for shit pay like the immigrants.
They tried it in Georgia back in 2013 I believe. The trial run failed miserably so of course the Reich wanted to try it nationwide and take their chances.
 
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akugami

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That's great and all, but after a summer day in the sun I look like a beige savage, and my gf is blind and on SSI, so we may be fucked six ways to Sunday.

I'm frustrated for people who see what is coming, and are trying to change the nation for the better.

Again, my household and immediate family can absorb any Trump tariffs on Chinese and other foreign goods. The missus and I have great healthcare, through her job. The missus has great healthcare because she's in a large multi-state union. The missus and I make enough that we're in the lower middle-class tier, but we're still classified as middle-class. My old man has done very well for himself, and he's at retirement age. My inheritance from him is set to be very sizable. This is not to brag, but just to point out that me voting democrat isn't because I'm in need of SS, Medicare, or any other type of social service. My household and immediate family will not be hurt by Trump.

But this hurts. It hurts a lot. The reason I care so much is because I want this nation to be better for my kids. It hurts me to see the nation go to hell. And my kids are the reason I started to pay more attention to politics. I've stated before that I used to never pay attention ti, until after I had my first child. Then I started to seriously think about what type of environment I wanted my kids to grow up in. It's when I started to try to do my part to take charge in steering my children's future. We're supposed to be the best nation in the world. At this time, I don't feel it. It's very depressing.
 

WelshBloke

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They tried it in Georgia back in 2013 I believe. The trial run failed miserably so of course the Reich wanted to try it nationwide and take their chances.
There was a great video from over here (I think maybe Boston, definitely in Lincolnshire). It was a super Brexit area and loads of people interviewed said they'd vote for Brexit because of the foreigners coming over here and taking their jobs and that that's why they were unemployed.
Turned out there was a farmer on the interview team that offered everyone who said that a job on the spot. Literally everyone turned him down.
 

outriding

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With all of trump’s lawsuits going on they should be settled prior to him taking office

EJC
The fraud one. He will probably not serve time but his fine should be paid
And the new one with the Central Park 5
 
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manly

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Weirdly I remember reading that wealth inequality is a bigger driver of social unrest than absolute spending power.
Like you might be a bit better off than people from 1980 and be able to have a better quality of life but if you are still living below your peers that won't matter.
This is also shown in the data. Although median household income is up vs. 40 years ago, average income grew a lot more. So that means the bottom third of households has seen little gain relative to the upper middle class and above.

With Reaganomics, this is a feature, not a bug. So it's laughable that voters chose DJT for economic reasons, when his entire schtick is trickle-up.
 

DarthKyrie

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There was a great video from over here (I think maybe Boston, definitely in Lincolnshire). It was a super Brexit area and loads of people interviewed said they'd vote for Brexit because of the foreigners coming over here and taking their jobs and that that's why they were unemployed.
Turned out there was a farmer on the interview team that offered everyone who said that a job on the spot. Literally everyone turned him down.
Someone else needs to do those jobs not lily white people who get burnt by the slightest exposure to sunlight.
 
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Fenixgoon

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There was a great video from over here (I think maybe Boston, definitely in Lincolnshire). It was a super Brexit area and loads of people interviewed said they'd vote for Brexit because of the foreigners coming over here and taking their jobs and that that's why they were unemployed.
Turned out there was a farmer on the interview team that offered everyone who said that a job on the spot. Literally everyone turned him down.
Supply and demand. If the farmer is only paying $5/hr, it's no surprise no one wants to work for that.
Keep raising the wages and benefits until there is a supply of workers.
 

fskimospy

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Weirdly I remember reading that wealth inequality is a bigger driver of social unrest than absolute spending power.
Like you might be a bit better off than people from 1980 and be able to have a better quality of life but if you are still living below your peers that won't matter.
You are correct that people view themselves in relation to others, yes. Certainly are plenty of people who would rather make $75k and be the richest guy in town than make $100k and be the poorest.

Doesn’t change the fact that the median American is way better off. It’s like when people have nostalgia for the 50’s. Life in 59’s America was WAY worse than it is today.
 
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