Why did Trump win and what will be the response of the Democratic party?

Moonbeam · Nov 6, 2024

What should it be if not what you predict it to be?

I doubted that Trump would win because I could not bring myself to believe we were that deeply morally rotten as a country but it turns out, in my opinion, we are that far gone from civic decency.

My partial answer:

I see a population on average, so fucked by the system they were taught to worship they want to burn it down rather than anybody else be happy.

I see a population so full of self contempt at the guilt laid on them that their failure is there own fault that they need to blame others for it by punishing live itself.

You can't sell much to people content with little but you can make a fortune of of sick and needy people. The misery of the masses is profit for the rich.

Of course the day may come when everything burns down and the rich won't be able to buy their way out.

K1052 · Nov 6, 2024

People remember 2019 (incorrectly) and want that again. Trump promised it to them.

Should work out.

I'dluv2 · Nov 6, 2024

I posted this at another site, it's my wifes thought and she tends to vote R.
In 2016 when Hillary ran against Trump my wife didn't vote for her. I asked why and she said because Bill cheated on her and she didn't leave him. Her big thing is if you want to fuck around don't be married. Along that same train of thought she really believed he would lose. She can't understand how women will stand with a man convicted of sex assault.

I consider myself somewhere between agnostic and deist. So I don't want to shit on the people who say they are good Christians but the things we know about him, the way he treats women, his views on immigrants doesn't sound like a real Christian to me.

nOOky · Nov 6, 2024

If you talked with Trumpanzees and listened to them over the years you'd know. Big ticket items for them are abortion, hatred of LGBTQ people, illegal immigration, cheap gasoline, for black folk to remember their place, and no boys in girls sports. They also hate that Americans are moving away from God, and they want their religion to reign supreme again. Those ads showing Kamala saying everyone should pay for sex change operations for illegals were mighty powerful ads for these folks. If Democrats don't know these folks concerns they will never get their votes, it doesn't matter how right they are about any issue when these folks feelings and fears are concerned.

nOOky · Nov 6, 2024

I'dluv2 said:
I posted this at another site, it's my wifes thought and she tends to vote R.
In 2016 when Hillary ran against Trump my wife didn't vote for her. I asked why and she said because Bill cheated on her and she didn't leave him. Her big thing is if you want to fuck around don't be married. Along that same train of thought she really believed he would lose. She can't understand how women will stand with a man convicted of sex assault.

I consider myself somewhere between agnostic and deist. So I don't want to shit on the people who say they are good Christians but the things we know about him, the way he treats women, his views on immigrants doesn't sound like a real Christian to me.

How amazing is that really, that single reason completely throws out how much smarter and better suited to run the country she was. I'm seeing a lot of stupid reasons like this from people from this past election, and it blows my mind the simplistically stupid reason they use to not vote for Harris.

Brovane · Nov 6, 2024

Moonbeam said:
What should it be if not what you predict it to be?

I doubted that Trump would win because I could not bring myself to believe we were that deeply morally rotten as a country but it turns out, in my opinion, we are that far gone from civic decency.

My partial answer:

I see a population on average, so fucked by the system they were taught to worship they want to burn it down rather than anybody else be happy.

I see a population so full of self contempt at the guilt laid on them that their failure is there own fault that they need to blame others for it by punishing live itself.

You can't sell much to people content with little but you can make a fortune of of sick and needy people. The misery of the masses is profit for the rich.

Of course the day may come when everything burns down and the rich won't be able to buy their way out.

Anybody else from the 90's remember President Clinton and the era of big government was over during his state of the Union Address? How about Al Gore going on Letterman and talking about Reinventing government?

We know big government does not have all the answers. We know there's not a program for every problem. We have worked to give the American people a smaller, less bureaucratic government in Washington. And we have to give the American people one that lives within its means.

The era of big government is over. But we cannot go back to the time when our citizens were left to fend for themselves. Instead, we must go forward as one America, one nation working together to meet the challenges we face together. Self-reliance and teamwork are not opposing virtues; we must have both.

I think Democrats need to take a hard look at Obama era ideas of big government and maybe re-visit the Clinton Administration and look at better ways to make the government work better for everyone.

Who else thought it was a good idea to kill a pet squirrel right before the election?

NostaSeronx · Nov 6, 2024

Toxic positivity => The mainstream media (2016) and social media (2024) said Clinton/Harris would win, so I don't need to vote.
Toxic negativity => This one thing that Repubs don't get judged on completely ruin my perception of this person, so I won't vote.

It was do or die for Trump, but not Harris. Where it was do or die for both Trump and Biden in 2020. While Trump in 2016 was a "political newbie"/outsider even though he was deep inside the swamp in 90s~00s. Democratic (2001–2009) got him a lot of support from the bible belt democrats that didn't switch over.

Moonbeam · Nov 6, 2024

Brovane said:
Anybody else from the 90's remember President Clinton and the era of big government was over during his state of the Union Address? How about Al Gore going on Letterman and talking about Reinventing government?

We know big government does not have all the answers. We know there's not a program for every problem. We have worked to give the American people a smaller, less bureaucratic government in Washington. And we have to give the American people one that lives within its means.

The era of big government is over. But we cannot go back to the time when our citizens were left to fend for themselves. Instead, we must go forward as one America, one nation working together to meet the challenges we face together. Self-reliance and teamwork are not opposing virtues; we must have both.

I think Democrats need to take a hard look at Obama era ideas of big government and maybe re-visit the Clinton Administration and look at better ways to make the government work better for everyone.

Who else thought it was a good idea to kill a pet squirrel right before the election?

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I appreciate you sharing this. Other than that I find it so personally depressing I don’t want to say anything else. Sorry for that.

dank69 · Nov 6, 2024

Trump won because a large number of voters vote against the incumbent for a plethora of nonsensical reasons. I bet a large number of people vote against the incumbent no matter what, as a rule.

Conservative media has really honed their shit talking as well, especially now that they have a bunch of foreign state assistance at their disposal.

Then you have millions of red pills, millions of racists, millions of misogynists, millions of xenophobes, millions of homophobes, millions of transphobes, and half the population with double digit IQ. People that think the center between the two parties is the only enlightened position. People that can't vote for anyone if they aren't perfect.

Moonbeam · Nov 6, 2024

NostaSeronx said:
Toxic positivity => The mainstream media (2016) and social media (2024) said Clinton/Harris would win, so I don't need to vote.
Toxic negativity => This one thing that Repubs don't get judged on completely ruin my perception of this person, so I won't vote.

It was do or die for Trump, but not Harris. Where it was do or die for both Trump and Biden in 2020. While Trump in 2016 was a "political newbie"/outsider even though he was deep inside the swamp in 90s~00s. Democratic (2001–2009) got him a lot of support from the bible belt democrats that didn't switch over.

is this some sort of code?

NostaSeronx · Nov 6, 2024

Moonbeam said:
is this some sort of code?

Why did Trump win? It isn't a hard question or a hard post to read. Sorry for your incapability, distinguished forum member.

Moonbeam · Nov 6, 2024

K1052 said:
People remember 2019 (incorrectly) and want that again. Trump promised it to them.

Should work out.

Can you tell me the correct and misremembered 2019, which one he promised and why it should work out? Apparently I am too stupid to understand whatever happened to English.

NostaSeronx · Nov 6, 2024

Moonbeam said:
Can you tell me the correct and misremembered 2019, which one he promised and why it should work out? Apparently I am too stupid to understand whatever happened to English.

Incomes Hit a Record High and Poverty Reached a Record Low in 2019 – The White House

trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov

https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/issues/economy-jobs/ Probably this. (The movement of the market is post-Obama shadow, nothing Trump did actually improved growth from Obama)

It is literally not that hard to have internet literacy either. Yeesh, my fellow distinguished forum members get better.

[DHT]Osiris · Nov 6, 2024

Because voters want to hurt people. Not people that remind them of themselves, but other people. Hurting people makes them feel like their life is better in comparison. Every uninformed and perceived informed voting decision can be traced back to that.

A millennia of generational trauma culminating in a singular vote to hurt as many people as possible in as short a time as possible.

Amol S. · Nov 6, 2024

I might make a new thread of my sole opinion version of the 2024 election post-mortem performance of the Democrat party. But here is a concise version of it.

Trump gained inroads because he aligned better with the younger demographic, as he used a semi-otaku campaign style, and the fact that the anime industry actually made references to him throughout the campaign. Furthermore, and I heard this on NBC after election show, the NBC anchors stated that it seems that Hispanics, especially male Hispanics, felt as if Democrats claiming racism in the US as unwelcoming, as many of them came from countries with worse forms of oppression.

Here are the following proof of what I stated.
Trump being seen in the anime industry:

https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/ezy93l/donald_trump_appearances_in_mangaanime

That Time Donald Trump Got the Death Note

U.S. politics have always been a muse for popular manga series like Death Note, Baki, and Chainsaw Man, but today we're looking back at one of Trump's most prescient appearances.

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JuJutsu Kaisen Delivers Unexpected Donald Trump Easter Egg

Jujutsu Kaisen has easily become one of the biggest new anime series to watch this fall season, taking us into the eccentric world of Yuji Itadori and his fellow students at Jujutsu Tech, and in the latest installment of the Shonen, we were given an unexpected cameo by what appears to be the...

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How Anime and Manga Present Donald Trump

As President of the United States, Donald Trump inevitably shows up in all sorts of media. Anime and manga have not been kind to him.

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How hispanics view Democrat party stance of claiming racisism in this country as unwelcoming:

Why did so many Latino and Hispanic voters help return Donald Trump to power?

About 63% of Latino and Hispanic voters in a recent survey said they do not ‘feel like he is talking about me’ when Trump discusses immigration.

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Moonbeam · Nov 6, 2024

I'dluv2 said:
I posted this at another site, it's my wifes thought and she tends to vote R.
In 2016 when Hillary ran against Trump my wife didn't vote for her. I asked why and she said because Bill cheated on her and she didn't leave him. Her big thing is if you want to fuck around don't be married. Along that same train of thought she really believed he would lose. She can't understand how women will stand with a man convicted of sex assault.

I consider myself somewhere between agnostic and deist. So I don't want to shit on the people who say they are good Christians but the things we know about him, the way he treats women, his views on immigrants doesn't sound like a real Christian to me.

Nice. So good to hear about your wife. Personally, I had something of the same reaction to Hillary Clinton as your wife did but I decided to respect her personal choice as I a distant and ignorant of how they live together. Perhaps she past being sexually possessive and their relationship is based on intellectual stimulation.

But clearly your wife grew up one of those owning moral integrity the majority half of Americans seem to lack. It’s amazing any woman would vote for him but huge numbers of women seek abusive men. They feel deserving of abuse in my opinion having been abused as children. They are also not going to like people who want to help them like many Democrats.

VRAMdemon · Nov 6, 2024

The main problem with the Harris campaign was that it was only three months long and she was the candidate of last resort. Had the Democratic Party accepted reality and convinced Biden to quit a long time ago, they could have run a proper primary and had longer to prep the heir apparent, whether or not it ended up being Harris. She was a relief pitcher (closer) brought into a game her team was already losing. If your team is losing 6-5 and you bring in Harris to pitch the ninth and give up one more run and lose 7-5, maybe you should be blaming the guys who lost the first eight innings. She failed to elucidate how she would be different - but, again, she didn’t have much time. The DNC had to scramble just to change the signage. But. I really don't think she was the ideal candidate to beat Trump. I think the only thing she could’ve done differently was be a male. The Democrats have tried twice now running a woman against Trump. I really don't think America in it's current form is ready to elect a woman. Sad to say.

Her team tried to protect her and reduce her exposure with only 3 months to be exposed. Probably as a result of her mediocre performance in interviews. On balance this was a mistake and she would have benefited doing more interviews and podcasts which would have improved her skills and confidence and just allowed her to get her message out.

Harris failed to sell the message that Trump is just some politician who says one thing and does another. He is not the Great Conservative doing Conservative things, and who only ever lies to piss of the Libs. That’s no secret to anybody, even Trump’s supporters. In fact, many of the votes he received were from voters who convinced themselves that he WON'T actually pursue the most radical proposals he espoused during the campaign. Trump only says things to get elected. We survived Trump once. we will do it again. What's everybody got their panties in a bunch for? The majority of voters, and a larger majority of voters on the right, decide who to vote for based on how the person makes them feel. They build a rationale for their decision after having made it. There is no rational reason to believe in Trump; he’s a failure in nearly every measurable way, but he makes people feel like they’ve been disempowered, and he can give them back their privilege, whether by deporting immigrants, ‘bringing back jobs’, fighting inflation by tariffs (that are going to raise prices), elevating an evangelical religion (that he clearly has no experience with), or just being a raging asshole in ways that other people wish they could get away with. Factuality’ is no bearing except as it reinforces belief systems or can be ignored by rejecting actual facts for ‘alternative facts’.

Turnout ...millions that voted in 2020 stayed home this election.

She really couldn’t have done anything differently to win. A majority of Americans want to go down the authoritarian path. That’s the lesson here. Trump won because that’s who a majority of Americans want to lead the country. Let’s stop fooling ourselves that America is different or better than this.

Moonbeam · Nov 6, 2024

nOOky said:
If you talked with Trumpanzees and listened to them over the years you'd know. Big ticket items for them are abortion, hatred of LGBTQ people, illegal immigration, cheap gasoline, for black folk to remember their place, and no boys in girls sports. They also hate that Americans are moving away from God, and they want their religion to reign supreme again. Those ads showing Kamala saying everyone should pay for sex change operations for illegals were mighty powerful ads for these folks. If Democrats don't know these folks concerns they will never get their votes, it doesn't matter how right they are about any issue when these folks feelings and fears are concerned.

I know but all that. I’m saying that is how self hate manifests. When you have been made to feel worthless and threatened or shown violence if you protest that repressed anger will come out at the weakest around you because they lack power to strike back.

Self hate and cowardly bullying go hand in hand.

Brainonska511 · Nov 6, 2024

dank69 said:
Trump won because a large number of voters vote against the incumbent for a plethora of nonsensical reasons. I bet a large number of people vote against the incumbent no matter what, as a rule.

Conservative media has really honed their shit talking as well, especially now that they have a bunch of foreign state assistance at their disposal.

Then you have millions of red pills, millions of racists, millions of misogynists, millions of xenophobes, millions of homophobes, millions of transphobes, and half the population with double digit IQ. People that think the center between the two parties is the only enlightened position. People that can't vote for anyone if they aren't perfect.

Democrats have also done themselves zero favors with mediocre governing in some states and cities. They have chances to deliver in those places and fail, and people carry those failures, rightfully or wrongfully onto national contests.

Moonbeam · Nov 6, 2024

NostaSeronx said:
Incomes Hit a Record High and Poverty Reached a Record Low in 2019 – The White House

trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov

https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/issues/economy-jobs/ Probably this. (The movement of the market is post-Obama shadow, nothing Trump did actually improved growth from Obama)

It is literally not that hard to have internet literacy either. Yeesh, my fellow distinguished forum members get better.

In 2023 the real median household income was twin was 80,610 as opposed to your 66,700 brag.

NostaSeronx said:
Why did Trump win? It isn't a hard question or a hard post to read. Sorry for your incapability, distinguished forum member.

I yield to your superiority.

Moonbeam · Nov 6, 2024

NostaSeronx said:
Incomes Hit a Record High and Poverty Reached a Record Low in 2019 – The White House

trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov

https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/issues/economy-jobs/ Probably this. (The movement of the market is post-Obama shadow, nothing Trump did actually improved growth from Obama)

It is literally not that hard to have internet literacy either. Yeesh, my fellow distinguished forum members get better.

Why would anybody want to go back to a 2019 record median income is 67,800 when it was over 80,000 in 2023. Internet literacy, right. The 2023 employment was also a million more. I was younger in the past so I going to vote for Carter.

Brainonska511 · Nov 6, 2024

NostaSeronx said:
Incomes Hit a Record High and Poverty Reached a Record Low in 2019 – The White House

trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov

https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/issues/economy-jobs/ Probably this. (The movement of the market is post-Obama shadow, nothing Trump did actually improved growth from Obama)

It is literally not that hard to have internet literacy either. Yeesh, my fellow distinguished forum members get better.

Do you want to go back to your 2019 wages?

Moonbeam · Nov 6, 2024

VRAMdemon said:
The main problem with the Harris campaign was that it was only three months long and she was the candidate of last resort. Had the Democratic Party accepted reality and convinced Biden to quit a long time ago, they could have run a proper primary and had longer to prep the heir apparent, whether or not it ended up being Harris. She was a relief pitcher (closer) brought into a game her team was already losing. If your team is losing 6-5 and you bring in Harris to pitch the ninth and give up one more run and lose 7-5, maybe you should be blaming the guys who lost the first eight innings. She failed to elucidate how she would be different - but, again, she didn’t have much time. The DNC had to scramble just to change the signage. But. I really don't think she was the ideal candidate to beat Trump. I think the only thing she could’ve done differently was be a male. The Democrats have tried twice now running a woman against Trump. I really don't think America in it's current form is ready to elect a woman. Sad to say.

Her team tried to protect her and reduce her exposure with only 3 months to be exposed. Probably as a result of her mediocre performance in interviews. On balance this was a mistake and she would have benefited doing more interviews and podcasts which would have improved her skills and confidence and just allowed her to get her message out.

Harris failed to sell the message that Trump is just some politician who says one thing and does another. He is not the Great Conservative doing Conservative things, and who only ever lies to piss of the Libs. That’s no secret to anybody, even Trump’s supporters. In fact, many of the votes he received were from voters who convinced themselves that he WON'T actually pursue the most radical proposals he espoused during the campaign. Trump only says things to get elected. We survived Trump once. we will do it again. What's everybody got their panties in a bunch for? The majority of voters, and a larger majority of voters on the right, decide who to vote for based on how the person makes them feel. They build a rationale for their decision after having made it. There is no rational reason to believe in Trump; he’s a failure in nearly every measurable way, but he makes people feel like they’ve been disempowered, and he can give them back their privilege, whether by deporting immigrants, ‘bringing back jobs’, fighting inflation by tariffs (that are going to raise prices), elevating an evangelical religion (that he clearly has no experience with), or just being a raging asshole in ways that other people wish they could get away with. Factuality’ is no bearing except as it reinforces belief systems or can be ignored by rejecting actual facts for ‘alternative facts’.

Turnout ...millions that voted in 2020 stayed home this election.

She really couldn’t have done anything differently to win. A majority of Americans want to go down the authoritarian path. That’s the lesson here. Trump won because that’s who a majority of Americans want to lead the country. Let’s stop fooling ourselves that America is different or better than this.

I have no problem with a lot of this. What I am asking is why has the majority elected an authoritarian. You are talking about what they do. But why do people want that. I think it takes mental illness to want that.

When you say Harris couldn’t have done better you can’t prove that. Do you think Trump voters know they are mentally ill? What if they’d been told? What if there is treatment? How can people vote for destruction and not be sick.

Amol S. · Nov 6, 2024

I know I created another thread on this, but I think the Democrats are going to have to put up a populist Democrat for the 2028 election. Trump might not be there for the third term if things go according to the current laws, and the remaining Republicans do not have the populist clout that Trump could handle. The only person I can think of with similar populist clout that Trump had, and is a Democrat is Eric Adams.

Brovane · Nov 6, 2024

VRAMdemon said:
Turnout ...millions that voted in 2020 stayed home this election.

I think Democrats really need to figure out why these Democratic voters stayed home. I hope it was not all about Palestine.

Why did Trump win and what will be the response of the Democratic party?

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