Bullshit. She sold it quite well. She could have done better but she did well.The main problem with the Harris campaign was that it was only three months long and she was the candidate of last resort. Had the Democratic Party accepted reality and convinced Biden to quit a long time ago, they could have run a proper primary and had longer to prep the heir apparent, whether or not it ended up being Harris. She was a relief pitcher (closer) brought into a game her team was already losing. If your team is losing 6-5 and you bring in Harris to pitch the ninth and give up one more run and lose 7-5, maybe you should be blaming the guys who lost the first eight innings. She failed to elucidate how she would be different - but, again, she didn’t have much time. The DNC had to scramble just to change the signage. But. I really don't think she was the ideal candidate to beat Trump. I think the only thing she could’ve done differently was be a male. The Democrats have tried twice now running a woman against Trump. I really don't think America in it's current form is ready to elect a woman. Sad to say.
Her team tried to protect her and reduce her exposure with only 3 months to be exposed. Probably as a result of her mediocre performance in interviews. On balance this was a mistake and she would have benefited doing more interviews and podcasts which would have improved her skills and confidence and just allowed her to get her message out.
Harris failed to sell the message that Trump is just some politician who says one thing and does another. He is not the Great Conservative doing Conservative things, and who only ever lies to piss of the Libs. That’s no secret to anybody, even Trump’s supporters. In fact, many of the votes he received were from voters who convinced themselves that he WON'T actually pursue the most radical proposals he espoused during the campaign. Trump only says things to get elected. We survived Trump once. we will do it again. What's everybody got their panties in a bunch for? The majority of voters, and a larger majority of voters on the right, decide who to vote for based on how the person makes them feel. They build a rationale for their decision after having made it. There is no rational reason to believe in Trump; he’s a failure in nearly every measurable way, but he makes people feel like they’ve been disempowered, and he can give them back their privilege, whether by deporting immigrants, ‘bringing back jobs’, fighting inflation by tariffs (that are going to raise prices), elevating an evangelical religion (that he clearly has no experience with), or just being a raging asshole in ways that other people wish they could get away with. Factuality’ is no bearing except as it reinforces belief systems or can be ignored by rejecting actual facts for ‘alternative facts’.
Turnout ...millions that voted in 2020 stayed home this election.
She really couldn’t have done anything differently to win. A majority of Americans want to go down the authoritarian path. That’s the lesson here. Trump won because that’s who a majority of Americans want to lead the country. Let’s stop fooling ourselves that America is different or better than this.
In my honest opinion... it could be that they did not have the enthusiasm or comepelment to vote. There was COVID, and people had lost their loved ones, and it was Trump in charge that caused the fiasco that COIVD caused in the US. I can see why so many people felt hatred for Trump and were compelled to vote for Biden. The problem is that there was nothing like the COVID element in the 2024 election. Furthermore, Trump did have his populist clout like always. This is what Kamala lacked, especially among male voters. At most, she only made female voters more enthusiastic to vote.I think Democrats really need to figure out why these Democratic voters stayed home. I hope it was not all about Palestine.
Sounds like an average Christian to meI consider myself somewhere between agnostic and deist. So I don't want to shit on the people who say they are good Christians but the things we know about him, the way he treats women, his views on immigrants doesn't sound like a real Christian to me.
Eric Adams is a clown. Democrats would be morons to put him up. If you're going to advocate for a credible populist, you need to do better than Eric Fucking Adams.I know I created another thread on this, but I think the Democrats are going to have to put up a populist Democrat for the 2028 election. Trump might not be there for the third term if things go according to the current laws, and the remaining Republicans do not have the populist clout that Trump could handle. The only person I can think of with similar populist clout that Trump had, and is a Democrat is Eric Adams.
Nope. The Trump vote do though.Do you want to go back to your 2019 wages?
I am going to say it was more toxic positivity group. Toxic negativity can do damage but it isn't normally significant. If it was negativity it would be much larger in favor for Trump.I think Democrats really need to figure out why these Democratic voters stayed home. I hope it was not all about Palestine.
Liberal here continue to link to X and the party does nothing to attack and denounce the media or those who advertise on it. They do nothing to black ball Republican business owners or scal media that’s rotting children’s brains. They don’t move pregnant women to liberal state for childcare etc. They don’t teach politics at Democrat run community centers. They don’t open psychiatric centers for troubled people, or teach mental health. There is a lot people could if organized by high IQ morally developed people. They could also buy a cable TV network and showcase the efforts of philanthropic institutions and progressive thinkers and a million other things. What would happen if evert democrat went on strike? What if they really cared or had some way to?Bullshit. She sold it quite well. She could have done better but she did well.
The media is the entity who didn't report the truth about who Trump was.
Until we get some billionaire's buying media and fighting back against X and Fox News and the overall center right mainstream media, it doesn't matter.
This sounds deep. You really are superior. Where is Klatu?Nope. The Trump vote do though.
I am going to say it was more toxic positivity group. Toxic negativity can do damage but it isn't normally significant. If it was negativity it would be much larger in favor for Trump.
They simply didn't go vote because the election was already called by social media for Harris. There is no way Harris could lose to Trump crowd was large enough to deplete the vote. Which is paired with the there is no way Trump is going to win group.
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They will give up their anti-Asian stance on media and deploy the certified democrat vtuber candidate for 2028. I really can't wait for them to bring out the vtuber screen bot.
We are seeing what a people are doing to another people and we’re themselves a few years back targeted for concentration camps. A big portion of those who are despised for differences wind up supporting their despisers as a way to curry favor with the dominant group. It is inevitable that young non white racial groups will adopt white supremacy attitudes toward their own people as a safe place to dump their self hate while acknowledging to world they have bought into self worthlessness. Is this hard to understand. Does anyone ever look at themselves?Weird how visible minorities are against immigration. Most of the first world nations all feeling the backlash of taking in refugees from Ukraine, Afghanistan, etc. Like when did people become such isolationists? Sure it would be nice to tackle the root cause in their home country that they are fleeing from. But we can’t fight that battle for each country.
I was asking for the opinions of forum members and I have no idea and don’t care for this thread who Eric Adam’s is. Can I ask you to tell me who you think he is and why you think he has something to offer. Then I might care. I want to talk to you and hear your thoughts.I know I created another thread on this, but I think the Democrats are going to have to put up a populist Democrat for the 2028 election. Trump might not be there for the third term if things go according to the current laws, and the remaining Republicans do not have the populist clout that Trump could handle. The only person I can think of with similar populist clout that Trump had, and is a Democrat is Eric Adams.
I was profoundly tempted to do so. Now that she lost I will not send contributions to a party that will not act against genocide.I think Democrats really need to figure out why these Democratic voters stayed home. I hope it was not all about Palestine.
American men suffer from entitlement disease. They are vulgar and uncouth, uneducated and self absorbed cast out as useless by society. Male insecurity leads to hatred and abuse of women and all things feminine, like half of what every man should be.In my honest opinion... it could be that they did not have the enthusiasm or comepelment to vote. There was COVID, and people had lost their loved ones, and it was Trump in charge that caused the fiasco that COIVD caused in the US. I can see why so many people felt hatred for Trump and were compelled to vote for Biden. The problem is that there was nothing like the COVID element in the 2024 election. Furthermore, Trump did have his populist clout like always. This is what Kamala lacked, especially among male voters. At most, she only made female voters more enthusiastic to vote.
Something tells me this was all planned by Trump as a plan C in case he lost the election, and the overthrow attempt did not work.So like any disaster it was several things gone wrong at once. Gaza, prices, misogyny, racism, Christian nationalism, and Fox “News”.
Then he can deal with the horrible flooding exacerbated by climate change.By the way, my uncle who lives in Houston and supports Trump once told me something. He told me that public transportation like subways and commuter rail is a form of communism and socialism. Also, they stated that cars are a form of capitalism as cars gives oneself a sense of responsibility rather than relying on something else getting someone to work. He then said "Look at Houston, we have no money problems, and no one has valid complains about their commute to work via the highway system, those that complain are those that don't understand that they should leave for work more earlier. " Then he said, " Look at NYC, almost bankrupt and people complaining about the subway system." He even said that had LOMEX been built, NYC would not have had a need for its transit system. I know that is not true, and it only would have made not any difference.
They can't all be as great as Republican governors and mayors.Democrats have also done themselves zero favors with mediocre governing in some states and cities. They have chances to deliver in those places and fail, and people carry those failures, rightfully or wrongfully onto national contests.
Please no...I might make a new thread of my sole opinion version of the 2024 election post-mortem performance of the Democrat party. ...
Doh!I know I created another thread on this, ...
Those people are shit too. Charlie Baker in MA was shit.They can't all be as great as Republican governors and mayors.
Conservatives may not realize they are racist or misogynistic, but they do make racist and mysoginistic choices, and I'm rather tired of that being glossed over by them. I don't particular care if they don't see it, they are making those choices.I want to remind people that sharing ideas in this thread is about understanding the republican frame of mind. It is important to understand what guides people's decisions even if you don't agree with the wisdom of their decisions. Arguing that republicans are racist or misogynistic does you no favor, as these people don't view themselves as racist or misogynistic, and their vote counts as much as yours does.
These are the reasons that I have heard for people voting for Trump as opposed to Kamala:
Trump would do a better job keeping illegal immigrants out. Kamala supported policies that let illegal immigrants into the country. Republicans believe that illegal immigrants are an existential threat to America, creating a group who abuses social safety net programs, doesn't pay taxes, commit crimes, abuse drugs, commit crimes, create gangs, and are a bad influence for our communities as they do not follow Christian values.
The economy was better under Trump. Kamala's policies would balloon the deficit, cause inflation, increase housing prices, often benefit illegal immigrants, and are generally opposed as republicans don't believe that newer generations should receive large handouts like first time buyer grants as they didn't benefit from them.
Trump wants to keep the US out of wars and wants to force allies to pay their fair share in multinational organizations. Trump wouldn't be afraid to act aggressively and intimidate enemies. They want the US to be the world's only superpower and boogeyman.
Trump accomplished what many republicans wanted, which was to repeal Roe v Wade.
Republicans view both democrats and republicans as equally corrupt and think the government was unjustly used to abuse Trump after he left office.
Many republicans were extremely angry after what Biden said.
Many republicans do not think it is reasonable or necessary to create gender affirming structures in public. They believe that even if there may be some people who want to transition it is an extreme minority and creating a supportive environment would only create incentives for a lifestyle they don't want to support.
Many young people were influenced by social media for Trump because of the clout of the streamers and podcasters, or against the Democrat position because of the Democrat's refusal to move away from supporting Israel.
Regardless of what you believe, if you want the Democrat party to succeed it will have to align with positions that are viewed as creating a better economy and stopping illegal immigration, and move away from social inclusiveness as the primary focus, unless you can convince Republicans to change their priorities. It is clear that most Republicans know that Trump is a liar, a cheat, and does not put the country before himself, yet they voted for him anyways.
It isn't that, the voters for Democrats keep thinking the opponent won't win in critical states.So like any disaster it was several things gone wrong at once. Gaza, prices, misogyny, racism, Christian nationalism, and Fox “News”.