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GodisanAtheist

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Thomas already laid out some of the plan:

Expect legislation that is designed to be challenged in court for contraceptives and same-sex marriage.

Those are gonna be next up on the chopping block.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Purge the govt of anyone who doesn't support trump.

Get the FCC to revoke broadcasting licenses for all news agencies that aren't Fox.

EO a law against any interstate travel for medical purposes.

Federal ban on all abortion related care.

Federal ban on all birth control.

Federal ban on all mail order medication.
 

NostaSeronx

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China, Iran, North Korea, Russia will all make huge advancements in their geopolitical goals. As Trump is not a strongman outside the United States.
 
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JTsyo

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At least we can look forward to the war in Ukraine ending tomorrow. Or did he mean 24 hours after entering the office?
 

MrSquished

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Will be interesting to see what Europe does. Ukraine is a goner of course, but what will they do outside of that. They will not put tariffs on China, and will likely have to become friendlier with China while Trump throws on tariffs willy nilly. They have to look out for themselves, and America as an ally is gone. This will not be good for the US in general and long-term.
 

Amol S.

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Democrats need a propaganda machine that constantly pumps put commercials once Trump takes over. Highlight

corruption
crimes
dead women because of healthcare access.
the deficits that will go up after his tax cuts for the rich.
Whenever he tries to enact something from P2025

Run those commercials constantly starting Feb 2025. Even if you have to fudge facts. It doesn't stop Republicans. Use social media cause ad buys are cheaper.
The only media outlet run by a Democrats and millionaires that can be converted to the Democrats version of FOX News is Bloomberg News Channel. I can't think of anything else. Hmmmmm. Bloomberg 2028 might actually work?
 

akugami

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End the Carbon Tax Credit program. Yeah, that'll fuck the environment short-term, and probably long-term, but I've already stated I'm in fuck-it mode, and this will royally fuck over Tesla, which means Musk. We can reinstate it after Musk gets fucked over. End the EV tax credits too. This will also hurt others, but it'll definitely hurt Musk.

Yes. I'm bitter.
 

RalphTheCow

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Purge the govt of anyone who doesn't support trump.

Get the FCC to revoke broadcasting licenses for all news agencies that aren't Fox.

EO a law against any interstate travel for medical purposes.

Federal ban on all abortion related care.

Federal ban on all birth control.

Federal ban on all mail order medication.
Did I really see a poll worker wearing a handmaid costume? Very apropos, but how did she get away with that?
 

brandonbull

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The only media outlet run by a Democrats and millionaires that can be converted to the Democrats version of FOX News is Bloomberg News Channel. I can't think of anything else. Hmmmmm. Bloomberg 2028 might actually work?
You're joking, right? You have the majority of new outlets, Hollywood, tech companies, legal professionals, and the education system ran by Democrats. You should take some time to reflect on why the shift of voters happened and the way Harris was selected to run for president to understand what happened. The staggering amount of dishonesty and hate that has been the center of the Democrat's platform over the last 8 years is ridiculous. Most people aren't dumb and have noticed what has happened the last 4 years under Biden-Harris.
 
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RalphTheCow

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Also gained with voters of color if you read the graphs correctly.

Amusing that the groups he aims to fuck over are the areas he gained in. Well, reap it ...
Yup! Pretty dramatic gains with voters of color. What were they thinking? Bad move.
 

gothuevos

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I think the biggest takeaway for me this cycle is that even though we live in a liberal democracy, there are many (most?) among us that do not believe in it.

Sure, the Dems could have done some things better (messaging on inflation, Biden stepping down sooner, etc). But I find it really funny when every time the Dems lose, the people who voted against them always say, "Well Dems need to look at this and learn from it."

Why do the Dems have to be the only ones with agency? Shouldn't the GOP, after the monstrous transformation the last 8 years, also look inward to self correct?

No, because the voters keep rewarding them, no matter how awful their conduct. I mean, the voters still almost rewarded them in 2020 despite bungling COVID. Yet the Democrats are the ones who have to be perfect?

And this is why I don't have any hope the voters will punish the GOP moving forward, because they really haven't so far. To those of you saying/thinking the GOP will be punished if they crash the economy with some of their plans - don't count on it. We have seen who we are, and we are comfortable with illiberal democracy all for the promise (not even guarantee) of somewhat less expensive groceries via very dubious methods.

I think this is what disappoints me the most. Heartbroken even. And I know Trump supporters will say this comes across as more denigration, but it's really not. It's not about them, it's just who we are. It's ironic for a country with such a history of fear/contempt of the authoritarianism that communism represents, will be so blind as to other strains of it.

Like @Jaskalas says, we are not special or exceptional.

"You see, their morals, their code, it's a bad joke. Dropped at the first sign of trouble."

 
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[DHT]Osiris

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No, because the voters keep rewarding them, no matter how awful their conduct. I mean, the voters still almost rewarded them in 2020 despite bungling COVID. Yet the Democrats are the ones who have to be perfect?
I had a theory prior to yesterday morning that the Republican party was going to eat itself, because the more extreme they got, the more they alienated the large percentage of their base for a few extremists. Turns out I was completely fucking wrong, and so are you. Their voters aren't rewarding them in spite of their behavior, they want it. There's a larger voter base off to the right of where they already are (how far, we'll find out).
 

gothuevos

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The problem is the voters. And it's not getting better.

I know some will say this comes off as a "deplorables" comment, but it should be 100% ok to say this.

You can say the Democrats made some mistakes this cycle, but that the above is also true.
 

gothuevos

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I had a theory prior to yesterday morning that the Republican party was going to eat itself, because the more extreme they got, the more they alienated the large percentage of their base for a few extremists. Turns out I was completely fucking wrong, and so are you. Their voters aren't rewarding them in spite of their behavior, they want it. There's a larger voter base off to the right of where they already are (how far, we'll find out).

Agreed. And yes, it turns out there is a rather large hard/far right element of unknown proportions - the GOP hasn't slowed down their transformation and they will probably get consumed by these same elements in the next 5-10 years IMO**.

And yep, they won fair and square despite the GOP's steady march towards illiberalism. It is clearly what the majority wants. And yet their voters get upset when they get called out on it. Weak.

**also another argument towards balkanization - there are longer any brakes/guardrails left within the GOP to stop their descent into whatever they will become. Yes we may be the minority, but there should be a way to protect ourselves from this.
 

K1052

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I love charts

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Trump only gaining with white women with no degree is something

I'm going to wait for the Pew and Catalist surveys to come out before drawing too many conclusions about what happened inside the electorate at this level. Exit polls are often meaningfully off. Also "voters of color" is a terrible metric to use because it really obscures the exact dynamic of how people of different racial makeups voted. Like I expect how black people voted to be way different than how hispanic people voted and also in the latter significant differences based on extraction/region.
 

nOOky

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Yup! Pretty dramatic gains with voters of color. What were they thinking? Bad move.
This is exactly why they voted that way lol. Apparently if you tell a group of people that have been diminished by a certain political party not to vote for that political party because they will shit on you, those people get a screw you attitude and vote against their own best interests merely because they will absorb the pain simply to think they are getting one over on you lol.
 
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Indus

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I'm going to wait for the Pew and Catalist surveys to come out before drawing too many conclusions about what happened inside the electorate at this level. Exit polls are often meaningfully off. Also "voters of color" is a terrible metric to use because it really obscures the exact dynamic of how people of different racial makeups voted. Like I expect how black people voted to be way different than how hispanic people voted and also in the latter significant differences based on extraction/region.

It's not a secret around a diverse place like NYC.. if you live here, and "listen" to people around you.

The Latinos don't like Kamala because Trump's gonna be good on the economy, less taxes and it's always black people making problems and Biden let them in.

The Chinese Americans don't like Kamala because she's not American like Trump.

The Indian Americans don't like Kamala because she's half black, not white like Trump.. Usha is 1 million times a better daughter of Indians than Kamala.

The ones making 100k+ a year like Trump for the economy.

Then there's the Italian neighborhood where I live.. you knew they were in Trump.

And the young people like bitcoin and think Trump is good for them.

I've never seen such a failure to communicate with the masses.. I mean HOW THE HECK DO YOU LOSE 15 MILLION VOTES?

Answer that.. and you know the problem and possibly the solution.



And oh.. ofcourse my bernie bro angle take..

 

K1052

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It's not a secret around a diverse place like NYC.. if you live here, and "listen" to people around you.

The Latinos don't like Kamala because Trump's gonna be good on the economy, less taxes and it's always black people making problems and Biden let them in.

The Chinese Americans don't like Kamala because she's not American like Trump.

The Indian Americans don't like Kamala because she's half black, not white like Trump.. Usha is 1 million times a better daughter of Indians than Kamala.

The ones making 100k+ a year like Trump for the economy.

Then there's the Italian neighborhood where I live.. you knew they were in Trump.

And the young people like bitcoin and think Trump is good for them.

I've never seen such a failure to communicate with the masses.. I mean HOW THE HECK DO YOU LOSE 15 MILLION VOTES?

Answer that.. and you know the problem and possibly the solution.



And oh.. ofcourse my bernie bro angle take..


Everybody is out grinding their own particular axes. I don't find any of it particularly persuasive or enlightening.
 

dank69

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China, Iran, North Korea, Russia will all make huge advancements in their geopolitical goals. As Trump is not a strongman outside the United States.
Russia will effectively be running the US military next year. Enjoy that thought.
 
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Indus

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Everybody is out grinding their own particular axes. I don't find any of it particularly persuasive or enlightening.

Ofcourse that'll never change.. but the trouble is you need to dumb it down for them that dems are better for them and for that you have to "give them stuff they actually want".

Apparently the electorate didn't hear what they wanted to hear.. so they went to bitcoin Trump.
 

NostaSeronx

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Russia will effectively be running the US military next year. Enjoy that thought.
I do not think it would be that quick. Overall, the actually policy that we will see is the incorrect move on keeping a homogeneous gaming culture. Chinese game makers will control genre markets that were previously reserved to EA, Activision-Blizzard, Ubisoft, etc. While these groups will over antagonize the group that they lost sinking their ships.
 
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